
Culture & Criminalization
Episode 1 | 58m 42sVideo has Closed Captions
LGBT community and culture begins to form despite the criminalization by the LAPD.
From artists who helped shape early Hollywood to the male/female impersonators in the "pansy clubs", early Hollywood becomes a Queer destination for people wanting a new life. Early LGBTQ culture and community begins to take shape just as the post WW2 era sparks widespread criminalization.
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Culture & Criminalization
Episode 1 | 58m 42sVideo has Closed Captions
From artists who helped shape early Hollywood to the male/female impersonators in the "pansy clubs", early Hollywood becomes a Queer destination for people wanting a new life. Early LGBTQ culture and community begins to take shape just as the post WW2 era sparks widespread criminalization.
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Alexei Romanoff: I was sitting in my apartment in New York City.
There's this snow storm.
Watching a kinescope of Los Angeles.
And they were showing the freeways, multilane roads that you don't have to pay a toll on.
And I was so impressed that I called one of my best friends and I said, "By next year I'm gonna be in California."
Joey Terrill: I grew up in Highland Park, Montecito Heights, Mount Washington.
I'm second generation.
My mom and all my aunts were from L.A. as well.
It's my history.
speaker: Coming to L.A. in '60, I was thinking, "Oh, it was a brand new world."
The country was looking to be in a different place as well.
So I thought integration and California was like the end of the rainbow or the beginning of it, whichever.
Marie Cartier: Los Angeles is the end of the known world.
You come here and this is where it all washes up.
There's a quote from Chris Williamson, "Move to California 'cause the leash is a little bit longer."
And if there was ever a population that needed that, it would have been gay people.
Alexei: The police were already in The Black Cat, and they were undercover police officers.
And at midnight, two people kissed at midnight, New Year's Eve, and a number of other people did at the same time.
The police then came out with their badges and they started to arrest people in there.
And then the regular uniformed police officers came in to the bar.
They started pushing people around.
Two people ran out of The Black Cat, ran down the block to the New Faces, which is now the Circus of Books.
Ran down, and ran into the bar.
Police officers chased them.
They ran into the New Faces and they said, "Who is the owner or the manager of this bar?"
And that was Lee Roy, my partner.
Her name, once again, is L-E-E, first name.
Her last name was R-O-Y.
But what they heard--and she was in a gown 'cause it was New Year's Eve in her bar.
What they heard, that her name was Leroy, a man's name, and here she is in a dress.
And they grabbed her and they beat her and they broke her collarbone.
And they pulled a bartender over the bar and they ruptured his spleen.
And then they arrested everybody that was there that they could.
Those people were charged with lewd conduct and they lost their cases so that meant they had to sign up as sex offenders for the rest of their life.
♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ Steve Hayes: It's hard to imagine today when L.A. is turning into a vast parking lot, but back in the day it was the wide open spaces.
William Mann: It was a frontier town.
It was a town kind of removed from the rest of the country and the rest of the world in many ways, making its own rules and living by its own codes.
It was this way station in many ways and the perfect place for people to come and reinvent themselves.
♪♪♪ Mark Thompson: This is as far West as you can get.
If you're running away from oppressive Ohio, you know, you can't get much further than Will Rogers Beach in Santa Monica.
Steve: But you know what?
Every Western's based on the same thing, you know.
"Go to Californey," you know, and that's what they did.
The Golden Land.
Martin Turnbull: L.A. was particularly attractive because people from back East could come West and be who they were.
Lorri Jean: Everybody came from somewhere else.
It offered an ability to just do things in a completely new and different way.
Steve: It was new and exciting and it was an adventure.
Lorri: And it also had Hollywood.
David Ehrenstein: Why this became a great movie Mecca to begin with was the light.
Steve: The light out there was so good.
And the weather was so good.
It was ideal.
David: If you look at pictures of the old--a lot of the old silent films, you can see the studios where they built these sets, but there are no ceilings because you didn't need them and the light, actual light, would come pouring in.
Centralizing movie production here created a different kind of set-up than existed in major cities, certainly in, like, New York.
In New York you walk out the door and you meet everybody you know in ten minutes.
Whereas in Hollywood, there was a lot of open empty space in and around.
And they could have very private lives in this town.
So because there was so much privacy, Hollywood very easily became a gay Mecca.
Craig Loftin: Gay people came to the new movie colony because they were always in theatrical circles in New York and in Greenwich Village.
Historically, the theater has been a safe space for all gay people, especially gay men.
In repressive environments especially, gay people learn how to act and sort of act throughout our lives, you know?
If you have to pretend to be heterosexual, then you get really good at playing a character.
Lillian Faderman: The industry in Hollywood attracted gays and lesbians because gays and lesbians have always tended to be artistic.
David: What Hollywood was looking for was sophistication and, well, wouldn't you know it, the smartest, most sophisticated people were gay.
Steve: Gay people created Hollywood glamour, whether that be Adrian creating the gowns for Joan Crawford and Norma Shearer and Greta Garbo, or Orry Kelly creating Bette Davis or Walter Plunkett designing the costumes for "Gone With the Wind," it was done by gay hands.
They were as gay as geese, and these guys were, "Fine, as long as the product came out great, terrific."
David: You had writers, you had directors, costume designers, set decorators, all working and before we even get to the actors.
Pearl: Minnie.
Minnie: Pearl.
speaker: Ah, what an exquisite spectacle.
Two ladies of title kissing one another.
♪♪♪ William: In New York, during the Roaring Twenties, Harlem was the place to be.
The Harlem Renaissance was the most exciting place in the entire city.
So these white aristocrats would make sure they were in Harlem because these were the people who were living on the edge.
And we see this in Los Angeles as well when the pansy clubs arrived.
♪♪♪ ♪ Frankie and Johnny, both sweethearts.
♪ ♪ Mm, how they could love.
♪ ♪ And they thought that they'd love each other, mm, ♪ ♪ but everything about him was a man.
♪ ♪ And he was doing her wrong.
♪ William: These clubs became very popular.
Lillian: Movie stars went slumming in those clubs.
speaker: Where are we going?
speaker: Well, you said you wanted to go slumming, so I picked a place to eat in the Village.
Only the wild poets and anarchists eat there.
William: Joan Crawford, William Haines, Cary Grant, Randolph Scott, would be spotted at these pansy clubs.
Watching drag queens like Karyl Norman and Gene Malin coming out and doing drag acts onstage.
speaker: We present to you now by remote control, that famous artist, Mr. Julian Eltinge, female impersonator.
♪♪♪ Lillian: Julian Eltinge was a male to female impersonator.
He appeared regularly at the Orpheum Theater and was extremely popular.
Craig: Julian Eltinge was one of the most famous men in America at the turn of the century.
It was seen as not necessarily something sexual.
It was like a magic trick.
I think that was how a lot of audiences viewed him.
Lillian: What's fascinating about that phenomenon is that you couldn't go out on the streets dressed in clothes of the opposite sex, but people flocked the vaudeville theaters and movie theaters to see instances of male impersonators and female impersonators.
♪♪♪ John Duran: We are the aberration.
We are the non-conforming sexual status, so we have to find one another and we're not painted with a lavender stripe down our face, right?
So it's not apparent who is gay or who's homosexual.
So there has to be some contact, some sort of dance or interplay that happens before there's a sexual bargain that's made.
speaker: Sometimes you would look into a person's eyes, he would look into your eyes, and all of a sudden you'd know through the eyes.
After you had cruised each other by chasing each other back and forth from looking in the same window at the same thing for quite a while, you might ask the person, "Do you have a match?"
or "Can you tell me the time?"
These were the little things that we would be using in the '20s and we were still using them in the '30s, I might add.
John: Cruising is probably as ancient as, you know, homosexuality, you know, whether it's Oscar Wilde or even further back, you know, when homosexuality was always taboo.
That cruising, that making sure it's safe and okay, is what cruising is.
Is this gonna be okay or am I gonna get violently beaten by continuing down this path?
Lillian: The cruising scene was purportedly fabulous in Los Angeles.
There were cruising areas such as Pershing Square or Griffith Park.
Craig: Pershing Square in--you know, was much different than it is today.
These days, it's kind of this big nightmare of urban planning but it used to be a beautiful tree lot, all these paths with trees and bushes everywhere.
It was public but there were little private spaces all over the places where, you know, people could, at night, have surreptitious sex with one another.
Mark: Because it was the central cruising spot for gay men.
How else are we gonna do it, you know?
We didn't have Grindr back then or cell phones or anything.
Marie: Gay bars sprung up as meeting places for this new population.
Craig: Before World War II there wasn't really what we would call gay bars.
Sometimes we look back at them historically, we call them that but they were really more like Bohemian bars.
They were bars where a lot of marginalized groups of people would hang out and meet, like, leftists and communists and maybe some non-whites and then the gays are all kind of in this marginal space together.
The World War II mobilization was the biggest mobilization in American history, all in kind of one institution.
And so, the gay people all found each other pretty quick.
And maybe for the first time, go into a bar with other gay people.
Andrea Segal: And also for the very first time in history, women were getting an income.
Marie: Rosie the Riveter.
Andrea: This image is the most successful image the Office of War ever used in recruiting.
So when you look at this image, this is a butch woman and masculinity is praised at this time, so it's like, you know, be masculine during the war effort, help the country.
And that changed the landscape for women and their ability to connect to each other without men.
Craig: A lot of people experienced that during the war and then, after the war, they thought to themselves, "Well, that's where I wanna live now."
And so, L.A., a lot of gay people thought, "Oh, there's a place for me here that certainly didn't exist in my small town back in Nebraska."
Marie: They're able to live on an identity that they couldn't live out in their home towns.
And so it created a community that needed spaces, and those spaces were the gay bars.
Craig: After World War II in the late '40s is where you really see gay bars, specifically, start to emerge.
Marie: So in Los Angeles, you had a whole strip of bars that was around Vermont and 8th.
The Open Door, the Star Room, The Patch.
Andrea: We had "Joani Presents" we had "The Pacesetters," "The Jazz World," "The Love In."
There was lots of bars out there.
Nancy Valverde: There was no Latin people, you know?
And so we started going to a place in East L.A.
It was a straight bar.
We made it lesbian.
It's been gay ever since.
Marie: One of the things that was almost true for everybody I interviewed, is they thought they were the only one 'til they showed up in a gay bar.
They didn't have a sense of "This is all over the world."
Troy Perry: I kept trying to figure out where do you meet gay people?
Finally, one day, somebody said, "You need to go to a gay bar.
The first gay bar I went to was called the "Red Raven" in Hollywood.
It was so dark, I could not see my hand in front of my face.
They had red lights throughout the bar.
I--had signs that said, "Do not talk to strangers."
And I thought, "How do you meet anybody here if you can't talk to strangers?"
They were trying to give you a clue about the police.
Alexei: Women could dance together and with no problems, but two men couldn't.
And there was a club and it was called The Canyon Club.
Troy: The Canyon Club.
The Canyon Club was located in Topanga Canyon.
Alexei: And there were two juke boxes in the place, one at either end of the dance floor.
And when the county sheriffs would be coming in, the doorman would flip the switch.
The other juke box would go on, and all the partners would separate and switch partners.
Troy: "Grab one of the four lesbians," they told me.
I thought, "This is so weird."
Alexei: The sheriffs would come in.
They'd look around and when they left, he'd switch--he'd switch the switch again, the juke boxes would switch back.
But if they had caught you dancing together, two men, you knew you would go to jail.
Lillian: When I was 16, a friend who was a gay boy took me to the "If Club" on 8th and Vermont, and I walked in and suddenly I found my home.
The first things I learned at the Open Door is that you had to be either butch or femme.
Jeanne Cordova: My lover had taken me to a bar called Tommy's and I first recognized butch femme.
Marie: Butch femme was a way for you to connect with other people.
People would often choose to be butch or femme just to be in the culture.
Jeanne: Right then and there I decided, "Well, I wanna be butch."
Lillian: There was real pressure to choose.
Jeanne: I am butch, I think I'm butch.
Lillian: If you didn't know, and said, "I'm neither," they told you you couldn't be.
That was kai-kai, and kai-kai was not a good thing to be.
Marie: It's kind of like that was a gender identification that wasn't trusted.
Lillian: People wanted to know when you came into the bar who was gonna stand, you know, shoulder to shoulder to me if something happened.
Edythe Eyde: The Flamingo Club, that was on La Brea, and they used to have two dances in the Sunday afternoons and I used to go over there and dance.
♪ Can you afford to board a Chattanooga choo choo?
♪ ♪ I've got my fare and just a trifle to spare.
♪ Edythe: And they had a woman who sang there beautifully.
She was a red-headed gal, who made--who owned her own bar in Studio City, what was-- Donna Smith: Beverly Shaw.
Lillian: She was this beautiful woman who dressed a la Marlene Dietrich, high heels, gorgeous legs.
She would sit on top of the piano and sing songs "tailored to your taste," she said.
♪ Remember this, it's all in the game.
♪♪ Edythe: And then as the evening came, why, the straight people would come in and then the entertainers would come out on their little stage and entertain.
♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ Edythe: And they would get up there on the stage and they were very good.
Marie: So at what place could somebody meet somebody and actually have a connection where I know you're gay and I still--I'm gonna treat you like a human being.
Pretty much the only place that was gonna happen was in a gay bar.
Lillian: And so these bars began to crop up all over Los Angeles in the 1940s.
speaker: There's suddenly this visibility to gay people and gay culture that hadn't existed before.
Lillian: I think things were fairly open for gays and lesbians, but after the war, all of that changed.
Craig: Post World War II America, right around 1950.
What you have happening is a complicated set of things.
You have the growth of the suburbs, you have all these soldiers who returned, changed people.
But you also had the beginnings of a kind of putting women back in their place.
Marie: There was a whole movement for what was called Rosie Go Home, because the men were coming back from the war and women were expected to give up this new economic freedom and give the jobs to men.
Craig: By about 1943, the war had shifted a little bit.
It looked like we might win at that point and so, there wasn't as much of a need to keep recruiting and keep getting new people in, no matter who they are.
And so, it's within the military, starting around 1943 and 1944 that you start to see the really first aggressive crackdowns of gay people at the level of kind of the federal government.
This was really, I think, when the mood turned at kind of a big level, you know?
And gay people started to feel that there was, you know, that openness of the early war was gone.
And the question then was what would the post-war world be like?
Craig: Gay people had become a lot more visible, both during the war and after the war.
You know, gay people didn't just become aware of themselves during the war, other people became aware that they existed and that there were a lot of them.
speaker: Dr. Charles Socarides is a New York psychoanalyst at the Albert Einstein School of Medicine.
They are taught that no man is born homosexual, and many psychiatrists now believe that homosexuality begins to form in the first three years of life.
Chris Freeman: Freudianism was becoming more well known in the US by the 1950s, so a lot of anxieties around these kind of domineering mothers who would create these little sissy boys who would become homosexuals.
Craig: Add to that, the publication of the Kinsey Reports, which has the absolutely startling statistic that 37% of the American men he studied had had sex with other men.
In other words, homosexuality as a practice and as a behavior was not some rare, obscure thing.
That was shocking.
But a lot of people read Kinsey's work and said, "Agh, these gays.
There's more of them than there used to be.
They're growing in numbers.
They're sick and they're deranged and they're perverts and they go against American morality.
And we need to be vigilant."
speaker: By direction of the president of the United States, stay in your homes.
I repeat, stay in your homes.
Yes, cities, nations, even civilization itself, threatened with annihilation because in one moment of history-making violence, nature, mad, rampant, wrought its most awesome creation.
But borne in that swirling inferno of radioactive dust were things so horrid, so terrifying, so hideous, there is no word to describe "Them!"
speaker: [screaming] William: The courses that I teach, I always show the film "Them!"
which is about giant mutated ants that are coming to take over the world.
These creatures that are gonna come and destroy America as we know it.
Metaphorically, it's not just the fear of Communism, it's the fear of anything that is going to take away what supposedly makes America work.
And one of the things that supposedly makes America work is the nuclear family: a husband, a wife, and children.
And homosexuals, as understood in the 1950s, completely challenged that idea.
Craig: Racism and xenophobias is nothing new to American history.
Eventually, though, you know, if you have those patterns of xenophobia, the targets at some point become interchangeable.
That same kind of xenophobia that underlies the internment and the violence of the Zoot Suit Riots, I mean, that went on for five days.
The young Latino youth in L.A. were being perceived as un-American, as anti-patriotic 'cause they wore all the cloth, you know, they weren't conserving the materials.
And they were perceived as being disrespectful to the Navy men who obviously had a sense of importance themselves and saw themselves as correctly American, both because of their whiteness and because they spoke English.
And so, you know, if you look at Japanese people as potentially inherently un-American and Latino youth as un-American, well, you know, okay, gay people, add 'em to the pile.
Craig: When you think of the post-war period, we think of the Cold War, the anti-Communist scare, Joseph McCarthy.
Chris: Joseph McCarthy was a senator who led a kind of flushing out of every Communist out of every crack in America.
Craig: People are living with the reality of atom bombs for the first time.
That's a very, very scary reality.
And many government officials were eager to exploit that fear for other kinds of purposes.
Harry Hay: We were thinking about the fact that they had moved towards a police state and we know in this particular case, that because of that kind of policing, it won't be the Jews this time because of the Holocaust, and it won't be the blacks because the blacks are already beginning to organize.
Obviously, the new scapegoats are going to be people like me.
We're the homosexuals, the unacceptables, the people that--the people that you might say that everybody loves to hate.
Craig: What a lot of people don't realize is just how much gay men and lesbians were targeted as part of the anti-Communist scare.
Chris: The Lavender Scare, which is because homosexuality was so taboo, or because it was illegal, because you could get arrested for it, it was thought that homosexuals were particularly vulnerable to blackmail, which of course, they were.
Craig: As Communism became more demonized, being gay or lesbian kind of got enveloped into that and the two things became oddly interchangeable almost.
There's a very famous quote from Joe McCarthy where he said, "If you're against me, you're either a queer or a Communist."
Marie: You know, gay people are considered the nation's highest security risk.
Craig: If you were targeting gay people, you felt like you were protecting the country from Communism.
♪♪♪ Craig: For people who just didn't like gay people, this was an opportunity to brutalize and pick on 'em a little bit, but it was also an opportunity for people like McCarthy and people who ran the House Un-American Activities Committee to pretend like they're protecting the country, to say, "Thanks to my efforts, I rooted out 100 national security threats."
speaker: We arrested 3,000 homosexuals.
I can state conclusively that the problem is growing.
speaker: In those days, they weren't so much gay bars.
Sometimes, it was just a bar that that's where you would expect to see other gay people.
And I went into this bar where I'd gone quite often, and I came in and I think drinks were 25 cents or 30 or something like that.
And I ordered a drink and the bartender said, "That'll be a dollar to you."
And the minute he said that, I knew what he meant.
He meant that because I was gay, I was not-- no longer welcome there.
And so I finished my drink and left.
I felt like a puppy that had just been beaten.
That's what it felt like to be gay then.
speaker: I'm concerned with the moral atmosphere in the community.
And I am opposed as a matter of principle to making anything which is improper or immoral conspicuous.
speaker: Would be in a bar and the cops would come in and line everybody up and say, "You, you, you, you, you, you're coming with us."
And so, that's the way we lived.
Andrea: And the young queens, they were very, very brutal to, you know?
They were, like, slamming them, feeling them, and pushing them, like, against the wall.
Andrea: At that time, there were so many suicides amongst the young.
I knew so many that took their lives.
It was so sad, because their parents, you know, would throw them out and the only way, though, that they could live is to do prostitution.
speaker: The best way to describe it is frightening.
All gay people felt in danger.
Lillian: It really seemed like, in all sorts of ways, it was open season on homosexuals.
speaker: Most homosexuals do not consider themselves ill, and they are able to live with their condition fairly comfortably.
On the other hand, there are those whose compulsive behavior becomes a problem for the police.
This is an example.
This 19-year-old serviceman left his girlfriend on the beach to go to a men's room in a park nearby where he knew that he could find a homosexual contact.
The men's room was under police surveillance.
The only faces you will see are those of the arresting officers.
speaker 1: Don't you realize that you guys are in a public park?
Anyone can walk into that men's room.
Any child could walk in there and see what you guys were doing.
How do you think that would affect them mentally for the rest of their lives if they saw an act like that?
speaker 2: I realize that, but the thing is that for life I'll be wrecked by this record sheet.
I mean, I'm only 19, and this'll ruin me.
I couldn't take for anybody to know about this.
And what it'd do to my family and everything.
speaker 1: Well, you just told us that your girlfriend was down the beach.
speaker 2: She is, she's right down there now.
speaker 1: And yet you're making a homosexual contact.
speaker 2: I was down here, yeah.
speaker 1: What is your explanation for that?
speaker 2: It's not something I really need.
It's just sort of--I don't know, curiosity, sort of.
It just happened, I don't know, I can't explain it.
But I'm just 19, I mean, I don't know.
I just know this is gonna ruin me for life.
speaker: When they'd arrest people, they would send the names to the newspapers so that they would be humiliated.
speaker: You lost your job, you lost your family.
You lost everything.
Chris: The LAPD is just a classic in the history of America in terms of the Wild West seeping into the late 20th century.
Mia Yamamoto: Chief Parker felt that he had kept the Mafia out of Los Angeles.
He kept organized crime out of Los Angeles.
He felt that he could do the same thing with the gay and lesbian community.
Chris: Parker, you know, armed his guys with shotguns and rifles and basically said, you know, "Shoot first and ask questions later."
And he was rabidly homophobic and very much embraced the kind of Lavender Scare business of the time.
And he was Mr. Law and Order and it was his way or the high way.
And so, he created a horrific atmosphere for gays and lesbians and enforced it to the absolute nth degree.
And it's about normalization.
These are instruments of normalization.
People could be arrested, people could be prosecuted, for dressing as the other sex.
speaker: Every single one of us was unarrested criminals that we just hadn't gotten there yet.
And when we got there, it was not gonna be pretty.
Marie: One of the things that may have made women safer would have been the fact that men were perceived to have more money.
So if a man got arrested in a gay bar, there was a whole nefarious network that was active in Los Angeles where lawyers would have been called in to help you, but they were in league with the cops and so they were gonna get paid off these huge sums that you paid in order to not have their names printed in the paper.
And it was like this whole kind of scam that was being run.
That would more often happen to gay men than to women, because it was perceived that they had more-- they had the money more to pay off the lawyer.
So in that way, the bars were more dangerous.
But the really dangerous thing for women would be that they would lose their children.
Marion: 9 January, 1958, Los Angeles, California.
Dear One, you will understand why I do not give my name as I have children to think of.
Would someone be kind enough to advise me what could be done about a threat to expose me to my employer as a homosexual?
Please do not publish my letter, Marion.
speaker: Homosexuality is, in fact, a mental illness, which has reached epidemiological proportions.
Evelyn Hooker: What they were saying was homosexuality is a mental disease.
Homosexuality is a pervasive, emotional disorder.
It is psychopathological.
Now, what makes it psychopathological?
In their view, what makes it psychopathological is that two people of the same sex love each other.
Marie: People are actually considered "legally" mentally ill by the profession.
So if I get arrested in a gay bar and I have kids, it's very likely my kids are gonna be taken away in the '50s and '60s because it's seen that I am not a fit parent.
I'm not mentally sane.
speaker: You've mentioned a number of difficulties that you've been in.
The times you've been in juvenile hall, the addiction to amphetamines, taking marijuana, other arrests, trouble at school.
Are there other things that have happened to you of this sort that you haven't mentioned?
Claire: Well, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
speaker: Have you been in any other difficulties?
With the law, with society?
Claire: I don't know.
I don't--you must be thinking of something specific-- speaker: No, I'm not.
Claire: I miss my children.
I really do.
I got some fine boys.
Alexei: You could be put in a psychiatric facility by your family if they didn't like your partner or they didn't like the fact that you were gay.
They could have you restrained and taken away and put in a sanitarium.
speaker: I was wondering if you think that there are any, quotes, "happy homosexuals," for whom homosexuality would be, in a way, their best adjustment for life.
speaker: I think the whole idea of saying the happy homosexual is to create a mythology about the nature of homosexuality.
Craig: Some committed themselves because they, you know, believed what society told them, that they were sick, and thought, "Oh, maybe I can go change myself."
Claire: I like to think that I've accomplished a great deal, but there's still a lot more.
I think in time I'll just be another old lady, just like everybody else.
speaker: Yes, you do look different from the way you used to.
Claire: May I smoke?
speaker: Yes.
speaker: What's happened to the Levi's?
Claire: Nothing.
I just don't care to wear them.
speaker: You're wearing heels and stockings.
Claire: One day, my youngest son asked me if I was a boy or a girl, and it really bothered me.
Yesterday, he asked me if he was a girl when he was born because he had curly hair, and I didn't know that kids got so confused about things like that.
speaker: Didn't you?
Claire: No, and besides, I go to PTA meetings and in the neighborhood I live in, women just don't wear Levi's.
And I'm a woman now.
And my husband doesn't like it either.
speaker: You seem to be comfortable in women's clothes.
Claire: Not really.
Craig: I think the most common reason that people ended up in the institutions were because of plea bargains in courts.
When gay people got arrested, you know, you might pay a fine, you might go to jail.
If it was looking like you might go to jail, some judges, those who considered themselves very progressive, and I think, you know, compassionate, gave gay men who were arrested the option of going to a mental institution instead of jail, thinking that that would be more humane.
What gay people realized who accepted this option was that it wasn't.
It wasn't any better at all because the mental institutions they went to were like prisons.
And the conditions were very, very bad.
Chris: The practices of psychologists to cure homosexuality, to treat homosexuality, and we're talking about hormone therapy, we're talking about electric shock therapy, we're talking about institutionalization, we're talking about behavior modification, in the most extreme kinds of imaginable, you know, Guantanamo-like practices.
It was so devastating to the people who went through that and it was out there as a disciplinary threat for anybody else.
speaker: This photograph shows the leucotome at a depth of 7 centimeters from the upper eyelid, parallel with the nose.
Now the handle of the instrument is elevated, making the deep frontal cut.
And you had a transorbital lobotomy on August 1. speaker 1: Do you know what day it is today?
speaker 2: It's August 9. speaker 1: That's right.
Why did you have that operation, do you know?
speaker 2: I think it was something to do with my sexual intercourse.
speaker 1: Uh-huh, was that seriously in error?
speaker 2: Well, I thought it was, anyhow.
No, I didn't either.
I'd just finished reading the Kinsey Report.
♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ Harry: You know, I had a dream that went on for years and years and years.
I even had it when I was grown up.
It's a boy on a hillside and it's just before dawn, you know, the false dawn where the light comes up behind.
I can see him in silhouette on this hillside.
And he's holding out his hands and I know that I'm to catch his hand and we'll run up to the hill and see the sun rise.
And we'll never have to come back because we have each other.
And I dreamed about that boy for years and years and years.
And do you know, the last time I had that dream, I discovered that the boy on the hillside was me.
I was the one holding out my hands and it was John who was to catch my hand.
And he did catch my hand, and we did run up to the hill to see the sun rise.
And we've been together ever since.
Chris: Probably the most important figure who really gets the ball going is Harry Hay.
Chris: He did not loathe himself.
He had a good sense of identity.
He was very self-actualized and so he began to push back against the homophobia, the hatred, of the Lavender Scare, and that's where the idea of the homosexual minority, the homophile minority, really came from.
Mark: There was no such thing as a gay or lesbian person, that we were not our own people, our own distinct cultural minority with our own hopes and dreams and imagination and way of looking at things and way of expressing ourselves.
We were always thought of as sort of a broken model of a heterosexual normative.
Harry: The word "homosexual," any cop on the corner can tell you what a homosexual is.
A homosexual is a hetero who has gotten perverted.
It's a hetero who's gone degenerate.
It's a hetero who's gone bad.
Lillian: He said, "Our theory is that we are an oppressed cultural minority and as such we have to fight for our rights just as other oppressed cultural minorities have been doing."
Harry: We have to begin to organize.
We still had a negative image of ourselves and each other.
We have to come together.
We have to find out who we are.
Craig: He had been a member of the Communist Party and, as a member of the Communist Party, he had learned how to organize, kind of, under the radar.
He knew how to get groups of people together that the police might not want to get together.
Lillian: In 1950, he met another man, Rudi Gernreich, who went on to be a very famous fashion designer and became Harry Hay's partner for a while.
Harry: I was teaching classes at the Southern California Labor School.
He said, "There's these two or three guys who have been coming to your class every year now for three or four years and you think that maybe they're gay?
Show them the plan."
And on Saturday morning they called me and they said, "We wanna come over to your house and talk about this right away.
Quick, can we come this afternoon?"
That Saturday afternoon, November 11, was a very exciting afternoon.
It was a windy afternoon and all of a sudden these three guys are suddenly running up my hill.
It was a very steep hill.
And Truck is coming up the hill and his eyes just light, this fiery light.
He's saying, "You know, it's wonderful.
I could have written it myself.
When do we start?"
And after two years of trying to find anybody that would listen to it at all to all of a sudden here are the three guys running up the hill, saying, "It's wonderful, when can we start?"
It was just too heady for words and I--Rudi and I sort of welcomed them into this thing, along the driveway and we have the hillside.
The hillside looks out over Silver Lake and towards the city to the West, and we sat there on the hillside and the grass and looked at this whole idea and looked at each other.
And actually being a group for the first time, and it was an absolutely magnificent experience.
speaker: June 19, 1955.
Dear One, amidst the many moral implications involved with homosexuality, we are gradually coming to understand that nature produces homosexuality as well as heterosexuality by making the components for the former predominant in some mortals.
Against the background of this idea, it is recognized that homosexuality is natural for some persons and that, as with heterosexual attachments, homosexuality needs to be refined rather than frustrated.
No name published.
Harry: It all of a sudden occurred to us one night to come out to each other.
And we started coming out.
And that was when we all of a sudden discovered that in this whole circle, that there were probably men sitting there who had been in those same terrible, scary, lonely places that we had been in, that we had never been able to share with anybody else before.
And that we probably had more in common with each other because of our own emotional experiences in the terrible loneliness of being gay in this society, than we had with anybody else.
And that we couldn't, all of a sudden, wait to come to another meeting.
And this is when we begin to get the sense of a shining brotherhood.
All of a sudden here is the possibility of a whole new way, a family of conscious choice, for example, in which we can relate to each other in all fashions.
The feeling in that group is so wonderful, we all of a sudden realize that we can talk about anything to each other and all of a sudden we're talking about all kinds of intimate things with one another that we'd never really thought of mentioning to our own families.
And this is just a heady experience because this has never happened to any of us before.
This has never happened to any of us before.
We had never had this kind of relationship to anybody.
speaker: It's a very emotional thing.
You just--it just makes you feel like you belong.
speaker: October 10, 1953, Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Dear One, the following you might call my credo.
I believe in homosexuality as a way of life.
I feel no sense of guilt or shame.
I believe that no nobler bond of affection exists than that love which unites the hearts of two men.
With these ideals, I know that I can be a happy, satisfied, well-integrated individual whose life will merit the respect of mankind.
Harry: Right from the start I had the feeling that we were very definitely a cultural minority.
Many times I've thought about this as a separate people.
At this point now I think of us as a third gender, but these are things we are inventing as we go along.
We're trying to reinvent who we were, recognizing that we are people who have been in service to various tribes and various bands throughout the ages and we have been obliterated by the church for a whole variety of their reasons.
In order to control their societies, they have to be able to control their organizations, and they cannot afford to have anybody who questions authority.
And if you know yourself as a gay person, you know that you always question authority.
And consequently, this is something which seems to be natural to us and, because it's natural to us, we're gonna be wiped out by people who object to their authority being questioned.
♪♪♪ Harry: In the United States, it was possible to set ourselves up as a cultural minority who had things to contribute.
And on that particular basis, think of it in terms of that cultural organization, show--begin to show people in the community that they really need our gifts.
They really need our ways of seeing.
Then you really need our ways of perceiving.
And then begin to suggest that unless they give us the space we need to operate in, our goodies are not gonna be forthcoming.
But we can't do that before we have set ourselves up as an organization within the rights of the Constitution.
And I wanted us to be protected by law as any other minority was in this country.
And so that's what I set out to do.
Harry: We begin to think, you know, one of the ways by which when we want to go into the law courts, when we're gonna fight entrapment, we should be calling ourselves by something we want to be.
We've got to change the image in the public eye.
Craig: But the activists thought that the word "homosexual" had too much negative baggage associated with it.
And so, they came up with the term "homophile."
Harry: The idea of the homophile is there are--anybody who is caught in entrapment, their lawyer is going to insist that they are a homophile, and the moment they say that, the judge says, "What's that mean?"
And then we got to define ourselves the way we wish to be defined.
We got a chance to talk about ourselves as we wished to talk about ourselves.
Craig: Slowly, Harry Hay was able to bring more people in.
There were more discussion groups that kind of permeated throughout Southern California and it started to take shape as a movement.
And then, they got some publicity in the newspaper.
Dale Jennings: He was standing in the restroom.
By the way, good-looking, big, muscular.
Standing in the restroom with his hands in his pocket and, naturally, I noticed him.
But I didn't dally because I wasn't about to be arrested.
And I walked out there and he followed me.
I think I sat down on a park bench and he sat down on park bench.
We got to talking.
And one thing led to another.
I decided he was not a cop, and because he was ordinary sounding.
And I never suspected that he was sizing me up and waiting for the right moment.
Well, apparently, the right moment did not come because he got impatient and said, "You're under arrest."
And I said, "What for?"
And he said, "Making a sexual advance," dah-dah, dah, dah, dah.
And he grabbed me and into the car we went.
And there I was, in jail, and by the way, the number I called, the one number you're allowed, you'd never guess who I called.
Harry Hay.
Harry: And he called me in the middle of the night and I went on down and bailed him out.
And got him out at 6 o'clock in the morning and this is a Saturday night and Sunday morning when I bailed him out.
And I took him to the Brown Derby for breakfast.
Dale: He didn't say, "What happened?"
and "Tell me all about it."
No, he just--our conversation was very ordinary, as if the world had not ended.
Harry: And I was listening to his story and what he had to say and what was going on.
I said, "Dale, we're gonna fight this case."
Dale: The tenure in what he had to say was, "Don't worry.
This is what we want."
Harry: This is a real entrapment case and we can prove it, I think.
Dale: That's not a very comfortable thought to someone whose world has ended: "This is what we want."
Good God.
Harry: The lawyer put a marvelous case together.
And at one particular point, I remember, he has his--had Dale on the stand.
He said, "Yes, my client is homosexual, and yes, yes, a decent self-respecting American citizen."
And we're all sitting in the front row of this thing and had never heard ourselves spoken about like this in public in our lives and we're just weeping because it's such a wonderful experience to hear somebody else, particularly a hetero, say that about us.
Dale: One of my prevailing thoughts was, "I'm not alone."
Think of all the guys that had gone through this completely alone, entrapped by the cops, got sentenced, paid the fine, or went to jail, and I must stand up for myself and for them.
Harry: The lawyer had caught the arresting officer in a lie on the stand, and then we caught the jury being tampered with.
And as a result of all that, the judge simply said, "This is one of the poorest planned cases I've ever seen in my life and it's in shambles.
And I will have no more to do with it."
Dale: So it was dropped.
Walking out of the courtroom free was a liberation that I never anticipated.
I never thought this would happen.
It didn't happen in our society.
You went to jail for this sort of thing.
Harry: What it was, was a victory, and it was the first gay victory we have in the country.
This is the very first case of its kind.
Nobody had ever fought the entrapment case before.
And so we had, in effect, won.
Lillian: Word got out and Mattachine's numbers grew tremendously.
Harry: We were all of a sudden inundated.
The news went out all over the country that an entrapment case had been fought in Los Angeles by the Mattachine Society.
Craig: There were hundreds of gay people who read that and said, "Oh, there's a group.
I wanna be in it.
I'm scared.
I think I'm gonna lose my job.
I need to be a part of this."
Dale: All of a sudden you had friends all over the United States.
Chapters cropping up we'd never even heard of, there was a consciousness that we'd never had before.
Harry: The very purpose of getting together was to break a mold, and the only way we could break it was by making another mold.
Chris: As they were articulating their ideas about the homophile, they realized they needed a platform.
So they started "One Magazine."
Craig: "One Magazine" was started by people who were involved in the Mattachine Society.
They thought there's gotta be a more direct way to reach gay people, not just in Los Angeles, but really throughout the country.
Chris: They had staff writers, they had illustrators, they had a psychologist.
Homosexual Marriage, it was opinion pieces, it was political pieces, it was letting people know about police arrests, but it was letting people know about their legal rights, it was talking about the Red Scare, how to protect yourself, how to form a Mattachine Society, all kinds of helpful information.
Craig: "One Magazine" was available on newsstands all across the country.
It was the first time in American history that a gay person could get a sense of what was going on all across the country, and it was the first thing that said, "It's okay.
Not only is it okay, it's great."
♪♪♪ announcer: On part 2 of "L.A.: A Queer History."
Chris: The 1950s become this very interesting transitional time.
speaker: I think that damn sign should be taken down.
Troy: This is Christopher Street West Celebration Day.
I gotta clean my church.
He said, "If I'm going out to demonstrate, you're going out with me."
speaker: It's Los Angeles where we see, really, the first militant resistance to gay oppression.
♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ ♪ We will go our way, together.
♪ ♪ We will leave someday, together.
♪ ♪ We will start life new, together.
♪ ♪ This is what we'll do.
♪ Go West, life is peaceful there.
♪ ♪ Go West, in the open air.
♪ ♪ Go West, baby, you and me.
♪ ♪ Go West, this is our destiny.
♪ ♪ Go West, sun in wintertime.
♪ ♪ Go West, we will do just fine.
♪♪ announcer: Funding for this program provided by AIDS Healthcare Foundation, California Institute of Contemporary Arts, Dwight Stuart Youth Fund, the City of West Hollywood, Los Angeles LGBT Center, California Community Foundation, and by these additional funders.
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