IS DEMOCRACY ON THE BALLOT IN TWO BIG NEWSPAPERS DON'T ENDORSE CANDIDATES.

ARE THE OWNERS OBEYING IN ADVANCE.

ABORTION, TRANSGENDER RIGHTS AND NEW YORK'S EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT AND WHILE AMERICANS ARE FOCUSED ON POLITICS, THE WAR IN THE MIDEAST GOES ON.

STAY TUNED FOR "THE IVORY TOWER" ON THE ROAD AT SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO A SPECIAL HOUR-LONG EDITION OF IVORY TOWER ON THE ROAD.

I'M CHAN CHAN FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

THIS WEEK WE'RE COMING TO YOU FROM THE HERGENHAN AUDITORIUM AT THE NEWHOUSE SCHOOL OF SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.

OUR PANELISTS TONIGHT ARE SARAH PRALLE FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY, LISA DOLAK FROM THE COLLEGE OF LAW AT SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY, CHAD SPARBER FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, ANIRBAN ACHARYA FROM LEMOYNE COLLEGE, AND JOSHUA DARR FROM RIGHT HERE AT THE NEWHOUSE SCHOOL AT S.U.

WE'LL TAKE SOME STUDENT QUESTIONS LATER IN THE SHOW.

AFTER THE MOST UNUSUAL PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN MEMORY, AND WHAT SEEMS LIKE THE LONGEST, THE TIME TO VOTE HAS ARRIVED.

COUNTLESS NEWSPAPER COLUMNS AND TELEVISION PANELS HAVE DECLARED THIS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN OUR LIFETIMES, EVEN THE ELECTION THAT WILL DETERMINE WHETHER THE UNITED STATES REMAINS A DEMOCRACY.

EACH CANDIDATE HAS CALLED THE OTHER A FASCIST.

WHAT.

WHAT IS AT STAKE IN IN THIS ELECTION.

IS DEMOCRACY REALLY ON THE BALLOT.

ANIRBAN, WE BEGIN WITH YOU.

>> YEAH, BOTH CANDIDATES HAVE CALLED EACH OTHER FASH NEIGHBORHOODISTS BUT NEW YORK STATE FASCIST BUT ONE IS CORRECT.

THERE IS HATE SPEECH THAT AS STOWNDING AND TO BE VERY PRECISE, THERE IS A PROJECT, CALLED THE MANIFESTO PROJECT THAT TAKES THE PARTY PLATFORMS AND CODES THEM AND SHOW THEM HOW THEY SPAN IN THE LEFT-RIGHT CONTINUUM.

AND IF YOU TAKE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND YOU PUT THAT IN THAT CONTINUUM, YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE MORE NEARER TO PARTIES LIKE ORDER FOR GERMANY, AN OPENLY NEO-NAZI PARTY.

AND YOU KNOW, WE SAW THAT ON DISPLAY.

LET'S TAKE SOME PARTICULAR FACETS OF FASCISM, YEAH FOR EXAMPLE,VILLEFICATION OF THE OTHER.

CONSTANT DEMONIZATION OF RACIAL AND ETHNIC MINORITY, TOTALITARIAN AMBITIONS.

WEAPONIZEING, YOU KNOW, THE STATE AGAINST YOUR ENEMIES.

SO YOU CAN GO ON AND ON WITH THIS AND YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO WHITE WASH THE FASCIST TERM, WE CAN USE OTHER TERMS LIKEETH OWE NATIONALIST OR NAZY AJACE EBT, FOR EXAMPLE.

>> IF YOU ARE GOING START SAYING, OKAY, ONE CANDIDATE IS IN FACT FASCIST, THAT SORT OF CONJURES UP THE IMAGES OF THE 20th CENTURY MASS MURDERS.

I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S A LITTLE OVER THE TOP.

CHAD.

DO YOU WANT TO JUMP ON THAT?

>> SURE.

I MEAN BROWN UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR DAVID CERTSER AND BERKELEYLEY PROFESSOR DAVID LARGE ARE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD AND THEY ARGUE THE WORD FASCIST GOES A BIT TOO FAR.

I TEND TO AGREE MORE WITH MICHAEL BOLTON WHO HAS ARGUED THAT FASCISM IS A PHILOSOPHY AND DONALD TRUMP HAS NO PHILOSOPHY BEYOND SERVING HIMSELF.

AND SO IN THAT WAY, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE ACCURATE TO CALL HIM A DEMAGOGUE THAN A FASCIST.

>> I ACTUALLY LIKED KAMALA HARRIS' PHRASE, WHICH WAS PETTY TIE RESISTANT AND WANNA BE BIC DICTATOR BECAUSE I THINK IT GETS AT THE IDEA THAT HE IS AN AUTHORITARIAN, THOSE ARE HIS INSTINCTS BUT IT DIMINISHES HIM A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT?

BUT I THINK LIKE THERE ARE TWO QUOTES THAT WOULD I LIKE TO SAY FROM THE TWO DIFFERENT RALLIES THAT THEY'VE HAD AS THEIR CLOSING ARGUMENTS.

RIGHT.

AT TRUMP, STEVEN MILLER, THE POSTER CHILD OF SORRY, FASCISM, HE LOOKS THE PART.

SAID AMERICA IS FOR AMERICANS AND AMERICANS ONLY.

AND WE KNOW WHAT HE MEANS BY THAT.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN EVERYONE WHO IS ACTUALLY AN AMERICAN, RIGHT?

IT'S A SUBSET OF AMERICANS THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

WHEREAS HARRIS SAID AMERICA IS THE GREATEST IDEA THAT HUMANITY HAS EVER DEVISED.

SO THAT IS THE NOTION THAT AMERICA IS A SET OF VALUES AND PRINCIPLES AND BELIEFS.

AND AS LONG AS YOU AGREE WITH THOSE, YOU ARE AN AMERICAN AND YOU CAN BECOME AN AMERICAN.

SO IT'S A MUCH MORE OPEN, YOU KNOW, DEFINITION OF WHAT IT IS TO BE AN AMERICAN, WHEREAS THE TRUMP VERSION IS HIGHLY RESTRICTIVE AND IT HAS A FASCIST UNDERTONE, RIGHT, WHICH IS THERE ARE THE PEOPLE, AND THEN THERE ARE THE OUTSIDERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IMPOSTERS OR ENEMIES.

>> LISA SO IS DEMOCRACY, IN YOUR VIEW, ON THE BALLOT?

>> LOOK, I LIKE TO THINK THAT OUR INSTITUTIONS, THE COURTS, THE MILITARY, THE MEDIA ARE STRONG ENOUGH TO RESIST WHAT, YOU KNOW, MAY BE COMING TOWARD THEM IN THE WAKE OF A TRUMP REELECTION.

THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND THOUGH ON A LOT ON THE CONSTITUTION OF CONGRESS AND IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS DONE IN TERMS OF AGENCY HEAD APPOINTMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE HAS SAID HE WOULD DO WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE.

AND SO I THINK THAT IT ISN'T UNFAIR TO SAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY DEMOCRACY IS ON THE BALLOT.

I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THESE LABELS THOUGH, WHETHER IT'S DEMOCRACY ON THE BALLOT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S HELPED VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS.

AND AS TO THE FASCIST LABEL, PICKING UP A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT CHAD SAID, I THINK IT RISKS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF TRYING TO COMPARE HIM TO HITLER AND MUSSOLINI, RISKS UNDERSTATING THE IMPACT, THE ROLE THAT THE BASE IS PLAYING.

IN FACT, I THINK RATHER THAN SORT OF IMPOSING HIS-- HE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY PRINCIPLES.

SO IMPOSING POSITION ON THE PEOPLE, HE, WHAT HE DOES INSTEAD IS HE SEEMS TO DRAW STRENGTH FROM HIS BASE.

SO AGAIN FOCUSING ON HIM IGNORES THAT GREATER RISK THAT EXISTS.

I ALSO THINK IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE AS A LABEL PARTICULARLY FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE WHO DIDN'T LIVE THROUGH HITLER OR MUSSOLINI.

I DIDN'T EITHER BUT A LITTLE CLOSER THAN A LOT OF THE YOUNGER PEOPLE AND I DON'T THINK THAT LABEL, WHICH, BY THE WAY, SCHOLARS TEND TO DISAGREE ABOUT WHAT IT DISAGREE-- WHAT IT MEANS, GIVEN THAT THERE IS NO SCHOLARLY AGREEMENT ON WHAT IT MEANS, IT IS NOT EFFECTIVE TO THROW THAT LABEL OUT THERE.

IT IS MUCH BETTER TO DESCRIBE WHAT COULD HAPPEN.

>> SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID RIGHT AT THE TOP THERE WAS YOU ARE HOPEFUL THAT THE INSTITUTIONS, INCLUDING THE COURTS, ARE STRONG ENOUGH TO RESIST IF SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF TRUMP IS ELECTED AND DOES WHAT HE HAS THREATENED TO DO CERTAINLY.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO JOSH, I WONDER, DO YOU THINK THE COURTS ARE STRONG ENOUGH, GIVEN WHAT WE'VE SEEN?

I'M WONDERING WHETHER JOHN ROBERTS IS THINKING WHAT DID WE DO?

>> WELL, IT DEPENDS WHO APPOINTED THE JUDGE TO SOME EXTENT.

I THINK THAT THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE CHALLENGES.

THEY ALL FAILED LAST TIME THERE.

WERE MANY AND THEY DIDN'T HOLD UP.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WILL AGAIN.

>> YOU MEAN CHALLENGES TO THE ELECTION.

>> YEAH, YOU NAME IT, IT FAILED AT THE LOWER COURT LEVEL.

OF COURSE WE'VE SEEN IT GO TO THE SUPREME COURT BEFORE, 24 YEARS AGO AND THE SUPREME COURT HAS DECIDED AN ELECTION IN OUR LIFETIMES.

AND I THINK ABOUT DEMOCRACY BEING ON THE BALLOT.

IT I WERES ME BACK TO THE ELECTION OF 1800, IN A WAY, WHEN WE WERE COMING OFF THE ALIEN INSURRECTION ACT, THINGS YOU COULD SAY ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT.

VITRIOLIC ELECTION BETWEEN JEFFERSON AND ADAMS.

AFTERWARDS, THERE WAS A CHALLENGE TO THE PRESIDENCY WITHIN THE ELECTORATE FROM AARON BURR AND SO WE'VE SEEN HISTORICAL EVENTS THAT WERE VERY FRAUGHT, VERY DIFFICULT, AND THE COUNTRY HAS MADE IT THROUGH THEM NOW-- THAT WAS IN ITS EFERLIEST-- THAT WAS ITS EARLIEST DAYS.

IT IS THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHAT HAPPENS AFTER ELECTION DAY.

WE ARE LESS THAN A WEEK OUT BUT NOTHING FEELS LIKE IT IS GOING TO END.

>> I PARTIALLY AGREE WITH THIS BECAUSE LAST TIME WHEN TRUMP WAS THERE BOTH CONGRESSES WERE THERE AND HE COULDN'T DO MUCH.

HE COULDN'T OVERTURN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.

BUT I AGREE THAT TRUMP HAS PRINCIPLES HIS PRINCIPLES ARE WHITE SUPREMACY.

HIS PRINCIPLES SAY THEY'RE POISONING THE BLOOD OF OUR COUNTRY.

THAT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE, THEY'RE COMING INTO OUR COUNTRY FROM AFRICA AND ASIA, HEY, LOOK AT ME.

SO HOW DO I FEEL WHEN A PERSON TALKS LIKE THAT?

AND WAIT JUST GIVE ME A SECOND.

IT IS AN IMPORTANT MOMENT TO TEACH OUR KIDS THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO HITLER WAS, RIGHT?

AND THERE NO, SIR DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

HIS OWN GENERALS ARE SAYING HE WAS HITLER.

HIS VICE PRESIDENT CALLED HIM HITLER BEFORE.

WE CAN WAX POETIC BUT... >> THEY CALLED HIM FASCIST, NOT HITLER SO JOSH JUST MENTIONED THE ALIEN INCY DIGS ACT BECAUSE TRUMP HAS MENTIONED THIS ACT AND JOURNALISTS BACK THEN IN 1798 WENT TO JAIL AT THAT TIME.

>> WE HAVE TO REWIND BECAUSE YOUR OPENING QUESTION IS NOT ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE TRUMP IS BECAUSE THE WHOLE PAM AGREES WITH AND IT'S BORING TO TALK ABOUT IT.

IT'S ABOUT DEMOCRACY AND WHETHER IT'S IN A THREAT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIEMMA POLL, 76% OF AMERICANS ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE STATE OF DEMOCRACY, THAT INCLUDES PEOPLE VOTING FOR 2RU678 AND HAVE PROBLEMS WITH HARRIS.

WE HAD DONNA BRAZIL COME TO COLGATE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND I DON'T MEAN TO DISPARAGE HER BUT OUR STUDENTS CAME OUT AND PICKED UP ON THE CONTRADICTION THAT SAID GO OUT AND VOTE BECAUSE YOUR VOTE MATTERS BUT GOES INTO THE DETAIL ABOUT THE MACHINERY THAT WAS INVOLVED WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE GOT THE NOMINATION AND NO ONE ELSE DID.

NOBODY VOTED FOR KAMALA HARRIS TO APPEAR ON THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT.

AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT.

IT'S ALSO THE WAY THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS ATTACKED JILL STEIN TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE IS NOT ON THE BALLOT IN CONTENTIOUS STATES.

YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE 2016 ELECTION AND EVERYTHING THAT HILLARY CLINTON TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE LOCKED UP THAT NOMINATION BEFORE THE PRIMARY EVEN STARTED.

AND SO I DON'T MEAN TO SAY HARRIS IS WORSE THAN TRUMP OR EVEN EQUIVALENT.

I MEAN TO SAY THAT IF HARRIS IS YOUR-- SHE IS A LESS THAN IDEAL PERSON TO STAND UP AND SAY I'M GOING TO DEFEND DEMOCRACY.

>> BUT THAT'S ELECTION SHENANIGANS.

THAT'S INTERNAL CAMPAIGNS AND HOW THEY CHOOSE A LEADER IS NOT THE ESSENCE OF DEMOCRACY.

IT DOESN'T THREATEN DEMOCRACY.

>> DID YOU VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE?

>> JUST HEAR ME OUT BECAUSE REALLY THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH DEMOCRACY ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AND FOR WHOM?

THAT HAS BEEN THE QUESTION FOR THE ENTIRE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT.

THE DIFFERENCE NOW IS THAT ONE PARTY DOESN'T STAND FOR DEMOCRACY, RIGHT?

WE'VE HAD GROUPS.

WE'VE HAD FACTIONS THAT DON'T STAND FOR DEMOCRACY THAT ARE ILLIBERAL LIBERAL NOW AN ENTIRE PARTY IS UNDER ONE MAN WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY.

YOU KNOW HE DOESN'T ABIDE BY THE RULE OF LAW.

HE DOESN'T-- HE TRIED TO YOU KNOW, OVERTURN THE ELECTION, RIGHT?

SO THE EXAMPLES GO ON AND ON.

SO HE IS NOT COMMITTED TO DEMOCRACY.

THE WAY HARRIS FOR ALL HER, WHATEVER HER FLAWS ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M SURE YOU KNOW, YOU RECOGNIZE IS COMMITTED TO DEMOCRACY.

THAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE.

>> SO, CHAD, ARE THE TRUMP VOTERS WHO ARE PART OF THAT 76%, WHO THINK THAT DEMOCRACY IS THREATENED, ARE THEY-- IS IT SORT OF THE PROGRESSIVE CULTURAL ISSUES THAT THEY ARE AFRAID OF?

>> I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT.

THEY'LL OFTEN CITE THINGS LIKE THE INTEGRITY OF ABSENTEE VOTING AND THAT SORT OF THING.

THAT DOESN'T HOLD WATER FOR ME.

THAT'S AN EMPIRICAL CLAIM THAT HASN'T BEEN PROVEN BUT TO SAY KAMALA HARRIS WAS NOT ELECTED THROUGH THE PRIMARY SYSTEM IS TRUE.

>> I SEE A SIGN EVERY DAY ON THE WAY TO WORK THAT SAYS FREEDOM OR SOCIALIST.

>> SHE IS NOT A SOCIALIST.

HER ECONOMIC IDEAS ARE BAD, TRUMPS ARE WORSE BUT SHE IS NOT A SOCIALIST.

>> IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS THE WASHINGTON POST AND LOS ANGELES TIMES ANNOUNCED THEY WILL NOT ENDORSE ANYONE FOR PRESIDENT.

SURPRISED STAFFERS SAID THE DECISIONS SO CLOSE TO ELECTION DAY LEAVE THE IMPRESSION OF EQUIVALENCE BETWEEN THE TWO CANDIDATES.

EVEN A TRUMP FUNDRAISER SAID “NOT PICKING A HORSE, IS PICKING A HORSE.”.

CRITICISM OF THE PAPERS HAS BEEN FIERCE.

FORMER POST EDITOR MARTY BARON SAID TRUMP WILL SEE THIS AS AN INVITATION TO FURTHER INTIMIDATE POST OWNER JEFF BEZOS.

BOTH NEWSPAPER OWNERS ARE BILLIONAIRES WITH OTHER BUSINESS INTERESTS.

BEDS OWES, OF COURSE, IS AMAZON AND BLUE ORIGIN IS SPACE COMPANY.

THE INFLUENCE OF NEWSPAPERS HAS DECLINED IN THE DIGITAL AGE...IS THIS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING?

>> NO, I THINK IT'S A LOT OF ADO ABOUT SOMETHING.

WHEN I HEARD THE WASHINGTON POST WASN'T GOING TO MAKE AN ENDORSEMENT A LITTLE OVER A WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION, I JUST HAD A CHILL RUN THROUGH ME.

I THOUGHT IT WAS ALARMING AND I THOUGHT OF TIM SNYDER WHO YOU REFERENCED IN THE INTRODUCTION AND WHOM SOME OF OUR AUDIENCE, I'M SURE ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

HE WROTE THE BOOK ON TYRANNY.

HIS FIRST PIECE OF ADVICE FOR FIGHTING TYRANNY IS DON'T OBEY IN ADVANCE.

AND THE FACT THAT SOMEONE LIKE JEFF BEZOS, A BILLIONAIRE, WHO HAS GOT A LOT OF OBVIOUS WEALTH AND POWER, CANNOT STAND UP TO A POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, DICTATOR, SOMEONE WHO WILL PUNISH HIM IF HE IS NOT LOYAL TO TRUMP, I THOUGHT WAS REALLY INDICATIVE OF HOW MUCH OF A POTENTIAL DANGER THAT WE FACE.

YOU MENTION WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WE SURVIVE A SECOND TRUMP PRESIDENCY OR NOT HAS TO DO PARTLY WITH THE INSTITUTIONS AND HOW WELL THEY HOLD UP AND I JUST FELT REALLY SCARED WHEN I FOUND OUT THE WASHINGTON POST WAS NOT ENDORSING.

AND GO AND READ HIS EXPLANATION, JEFF BEZOS EXPLANATION FOR IT.

IT JUST DIDN'T RING TRUE TO ME, YOU KNOW, HE SAID HE DID IT ON THE BASIS OF PRINCIPLE.

BUT THE TIMING IS HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS.

>> SO, JOSH, YOU ARE A PROFESSOR OF COMMUNICATION AND YOUR STUDENTS, THESE GUYS OUT HERE, THEY'RE NOT READING THE WASHINGTON POST AND "THE NEW YORK TIMES" I ASSUME.

THEY'RE GETTING NEWS FROM OTHER SOURCES THAN THE NEWSPAPER.

SO I'LL ASK THE SAME QUESTION.

DOES IT MATTER?

>> I WILL SAY I ASKED MY FRESHMAN CLASS WHAT THEIR MOST READ NEWS SOURCE WAS AND IT WAS THE NEW YORK TILES.

>> SHOUT OUT TO SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.

>> THIS IS PART OF IT.

THE NATIONAL NEWSPAPERS ARE DOING QUITE WELL, THE WASHINGTON POST SOMEWHAT INCLUDED AND THE TIMES EMPLOYS ONE OUT OF EVERY 10 JOURNALIST NEWSPAPER JOURNALISTSED IS DOING QUITE WELL.

TO THE CROWD, DON'T FIND YOUR PRINCIPLES AT THE MOST MOMENT WHEN IT'S MOST CONVENIENT TO YOU.

NOBODY IS GOING BELIEVE YOU.

THE TRUTH IS THAT NEWSPAPERS USED TO MAKE THEIR MONEY ON ADS.

NOW THE ONES THAT ARE LEFT AND THE ONES NOT DEMOLISHED BY HEDGE FUNDS ARE MAKING THEIR MONEY THROUGH SUBSCRIPTIONS.

AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE YOUR MONEY THROUGH SUBSCRIPTIONS, HAVE YOU TO MAKE THE SUBSCRIBERS HAPPY.

YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THAT THE WASHINGTON POST SUBSCRIBERS ARE NOT HAPPY.

250,000 OF THEM IT CANCEL THEIR SUBSCRIPTION.

THEY HAVE OVER TWO MILLION.

BUT THE ECONOMICS OF THE NEWS INDUSTRY MAKES THIS A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION UNLESS YOU ARE JEFF BEZOS AND THIS IS A SIDE PROJECT.

HE IS THINKING BIG PICTURE.

AGAIN, HE CAN AFFORD TO BE CRASS ENOUGH TO TAKE A MEETING WITH BLUE ORIGIN, THE NEXT DAY WITH TRUMP AND I THINK THAT IT TELLS US A LOT ABOUT THE ECONOMICS OF NEWS VERSUS WHAT THEY USED TO DO WITH REGARD TO OBJECTIVITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PERSUADED BY A WASHINGTON POST ENDORSEMENT.

I KNOW THEIR SUBSCRIBERS EXPECTED IT AND THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PAPER, AS MUCH AS BEZOS MAY OR MAY NOT CARE ABOUT THAT IS PRETTY WELL SEVERED AT THIS POINT.

>> I WANT TO ASK ABOUT RULE OF LAW.

AND ONE OF THE FIRST SHOWS THAT I EVER DID, BECAUSE I STARTED THIS SHOW JUST PRETTY MUCH WHAT DONALD TRUMP STARTED OFFICE.

AND LISA, YOU SAID AT THE TIME THAT THE DEEP STATE IS RULE OF LAW.

THAT THAT WAS SORT OF THE RESISTANCE TO WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO THEN WAS THAT THERE ARE PRINCIPLES AND INSTITUTIONS, AS YOU SAID EARLIER.

AND I'M WONDERING NOW, IS THERE A CORROSION OF RULE OF LAW THAT WE ARE SEEING WITH THINGS LIKE SOME BUSINESSES OR BUSINESS OWNERS, THE IMPLICATION IS THEY'RE HAVING TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY OR OBEY IN ADVANCE, I GUESS.

>> YEAH, I'M A STILL FIRM BELIEVER IN INSTITUTIONS, PARTICULARLY THE COURTS, PARTICULARLY THE MILITARY, RIGHT?

I BELIEVE THE MILITARY IS NOT POPULATED WITH PEOPLE-- I BELIEVE WE SAW IT THE LAST TIME AND WE WILL SEE IT AGAIN.

THOSE PEOPLE TAKE A DIRECT OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION, NOT TO THE PRESIDENT AND THEY ARE UNDER AN OBLIGATION UNDER THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE TO DISOBEY AN UNLAWFUL ORDER.

THAT IS WHERE THEIR ALLEGIANCE LIES AND I BELIEVE THAT IS IN PLACE.

AND I ALSO HAVE GREAT FADES FAITH IN THE COURTS.

AND I I THE COURTS ARE CONTINUING EVEN THIS WEEK, TO DEMONSTRATE-- AND THEY'RE NOT ALL COMING OUT THE WAY I WOULD HAVE THEM OUT BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COURTS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, RIGHT?

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

BUT I AM WORRIED ABOUT THIS SORT OF UNDERMINING OF THE SO CALLED DEEP STATE.

THAT'S A DEROGATORY, THAT'S HIS DEROGATORY TERM.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL THEM.

THE SORT OF NON-PARTISAN CIVIL SER HAVEN'T-- CIVIL SERVANTS WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WITH KNOWLEDGE, BY THE WAY, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE.

AND WE NEED MORE, NOT LESS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE.

SO, YEAH, I AM WORRIED ABOUT THAT BUT I DO WANT TO SAY ON THIS SUBJECT OF THE ENDORSEMENTS , I DON'T THINK TOO MANY PEOPLE CARE WHAT THESE NEWSPAPERS SAY ABOUT THE CANDIDATE.

I AGREE ON THE TIMING, TERRIBLE TIMING.

AND I'M AS WORRIED AS YOU ARE, SARAH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS SIGNALS IN TERMS OF WHAT I SAID RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING.

WILL THE MEDIA STAND UP AND CONTINUE, AS THE WASHINGTON POST HAS DONE, UNDER JEFF BEZOS' OWNERSHIP, BY THE WAY, TO, YOU KNOW, TO THREATS.

BUT I ACTUALLY HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH HIM-- AGAIN TERRIBLE TIMING-- BUT I AGREE WITH HIM THESE ENDORSEMENTS IN THIS CLIMATE DO UNDERMINE THE CREDIBILITY, AT LEAST IN THE MINDS OF MANY, MANY TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN COUNTRY, OF OUR NEWS SOURCES.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE NOT EDUCATED NOWADAYS TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE EDITORIAL BOARD AND THE NEWS ARM.

AND I THINK THAT-- I THINK IT'S A GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND BY THE WAY, THESE NEWSPAPERS HAVEN'T ALWAYS ENDORSED.

THEY'VE ENDORSED, NOT ENDORSED, COME BACK.

BUT THE TIMING IS TERRIBLE.

>> I THINK I AGREE WHOLLY WITH YOU.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT AN ENDORSEMENT.

I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA THAT A NEWSPAPER, LIKE A GOOD PROFESSOR, TEACHES STUDENTS OR PEOPLE HOW TO THINK, NOT WHAT TO THINK.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT I SHOULD HAVE TO ENDORSE PEOPLE, CANDIDATES IN MY OWN CLASSROOM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE MOTIVATION IS TERRIBLE.

THE TIMING, ALL OF THAT I FULLY AGREE.

AND I THINK IT ACTUALLY SPEAKS, JOSH, YOU WERE GETTING TO, THIS LIKE A DEEPER PROBLEM WITH THE FUNDING MODELS FOR MODERN MEDIA AND NOT REALLY HAVING A GOOD MODEL.

I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF BEZOS TOOK THE WASHINGTON POST IN THE DIRECTION THAT LONDON'S GUARDIAN NEWSPAPER HAS, WHICH THEY HAVE A 1.2 BILLION-POUND ENDOWMENT AND COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT BOARD THAT DOES THE EDITORIAL OVERSIGHT AND AS I SAID, INDEPENDENCE BUT NOW I'M TELLING BEZOS WHAT TO DO WITH HIS PHILANTHROPY AND THAT'S A LITTLE UNCOUTH.

>> THE BUSINESS MODEL FOR JOURNALISM IS-- HAS BEEN DESTROYED.

>> I DON'T THINK THE ENDORSEMENTS, YOU KNOW, MOVE THE NEEDLE IN WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU ARE RIGHT.

THE NEWS ARM AND THE EDITORIAL OPINION ARM ARE SEPARATED FOR "THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND BEZOS DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE NEWS PART N. FACT, THERE IS A NEWS ARTICLE TODAY ABOUT WHY BEZOS DID THIS KIND OF STUFF.

GO BACK TO THE MATERIALIST WAY.

BEZOS HAS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ENDOWMENT OF FUNDING THAT HE IS WAITING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR HIS ROCKET COMPANY FOR AMAZON WEB SERVICES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AND AGAIN I HATE TO MAKE THIS COMPARISON IN 1932, HERMAN GORING PUT TOGETHER 12 CAPITALS IN GERMANY AND SAID HAVE YOU TO GET IN LINE AND THEY ALL GOT IN LINE.

SO HISTORY ALWAYS INFORMS US IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS IT GOT INFORMED TO ME.

IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT BEZOS, ALL OF A SUDDEN SAID I'M NOT GOING TO ALLOW THIS, YOU KNOW, OPINION TO COME OUT.

WHY?

BECAUSE YOU WANT FEDERAL CONTRACTS.

JUST SAY THAT OUT LOUD.

DON'T TRY TO CONTORT YOUR IDEOLOGIES.

THAT CONTORTION IS NOT HELPFUL.

IT'S NOT CONVINCING, EITHER.

>> ONE LAST THING THAT HIS OP-ED WAS ALL ABOUT PEOPLE WERE LOSING TRUST IN THE MEDIA.

THAT'S TRUE, THEY ARE LOSING TRUST IN ALL INSTITUTIONS.

IRONIC.

WHEN DID TRUST REALLY TAKE A PLUMMET IN THE MEDIA?

2016.

WHY?

BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS AND TRUMP JUST CONSTANTLY BEAT UP ON THE PRESS, RIGHT AND ON THE MEDIA.

SO THE LACK OF TRUST IS NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE ENDORSING CANDIDATES EVERY FOUR YEARS.

IT'S BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A BATTLE, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN A BATTLE AGAINST THE MEDIA TO YOU KNOW, LABEL IT AS THE ENEMY AND THAT'S UNTRUE.

>> AND JOSH, HE HAS ATTACKED OTHER MEDIA OUTLETS RECENTLY, CBS NEWS, FOR INSTANCE-- CBS INS.

>> LET'S DO A MUCH SHORTER LIST OF MEDIA OUTLETS HE HAS NOT ATTACKED.

THAT'S PART OF HIS STRATEGY LONG BEFORE HE ENTERED POLITICS THAT'S HOW HE ACTED.

HE HASN'T CHANGED NOW.

IF MEDIA OUTLETS ARE SCARED OF CRITICISM OF HIM, THEY'VE PROBABLY DEALT WITH IT BEFORE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SCARED OF.

>> THE BOTTOM LINE MAYBE.

>> THEN BEZOS ISN'T SCARED OF THAT.

>> BEZOS IS NOT.

ALSO ON THE BALLOT FOR NEW YORKERS, WHETHER TO PASS PROPOSITION ONE, THE NEW YORK EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT.

IT WOULD ADD A PROVISION TO THE STATE CONSTITUTION PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION BASED ON NATIONAL ORIGIN, AGE, DISABILITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER IDENTITY, GENDER EXPRESSION, PREGNANCY, PREGNANCY OUTCOMES, AND REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE AND AUTONOMY.

THE AMENDMENT HAS BECOME A LIGHTNING ROD IN OUR CULTURE WARS.

IT WAS DESIGNED TO PROTECT ABORTION RIGHTS, BUT IS BEING ATTACKED FOR ITS THE TRANSGENDER PROVISIONS.

I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE SIGNS ALL OVER TOWN SAYING “PROTECT GIRL'S SPORTS.” SHOULD PROP 1 PASS?

>> WELL, I'M GOING TO STICK WITH THE THEME OF NOT TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO VOTE.

BUT IN TERMS OF TRYING TO INFORM PEOPLE OF WHAT IS AT STAKE, I MEAN SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS AGAINST PROPOSITION 1 HAVE NON-MERIT, THAT IT WOULD ALLOW NON-CITIZENS TO VOTE OR DENY PARENTS RIGHT TO CONSENT TO THEIR CHILDREN'S MEDICAL CARE.

WE CAN SET THOSE ASIDE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT WOULD STRENGTHEN EXISTING PROTECTIONS, EXISTING PROTECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE FOR TRANSGENDER PERSONS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO PLACE PEOPLE ON TEAMS CONSISTENT WITH THEIR GENDER IDENTITY.

IT IS NOT AT ALL CLEAR THAT IT WOULD DO WHAT ITS PROPONENTS HAVE CLAIMED, NAMELY TO CONSTITUTIONALIZE AND TERMINATE THE PREGNANCY.

IT DOES EXPAND CONSTITUTIONAL ANTIDISCRIMINATION PROTECTIONS, AS YOU SAID, BUT IT WOULDN'T PROTECT ABORTION RIGHTS AGAINST A GENERALLY APPLICABLE LAW THAT RESTRICTS ABORTION BECAUSE THERE IS NO DISCRIMINATION GOING ON THERE UNLESS YOU COULD CONVINCE THE NEW YORK HIGH COURT THAT IT SOMEHOW DOES.

AND I THINK THAT'S A BIT OF A STRETCH.

AND, IN FACT, THERE WAS LITIGATION AROUND THE EXPLAINER THAT WOULD GO WITH THIS PROPOSITION.

THE PROPONENTS, WHO, BY THE WAY, DIDN'T PUT ABORTION IN THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT, THE WORD.

THEY WANTED IT TO BE DISCUSSED IN THE EXPLAINER.

AND SO THERE WAS LITIGATION IN NEW YORK ABOUT WHETHER THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO CLAIM OR TO ASSERT THAT IT WOULD ENSHRINE PROTECTIONS FOR ABORTION.

AND A JUDGE SAID IT'S JUST NOT AT ALL CLEAR THAT-- IT'S NOT REMOTELY CLEAR ENOUGH THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.

IT WOULD REQUIRE ALL KINDS OF LITIGATION AND VARIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES AND HE WASN'T WILLING TO PREDICT THAT WOULD COME OUT.

BUT WHAT IT WOULD DO, WHAT IT WOULD ACCOMPLISH IS, IT WILL PIT SOME OF THESE NEWLY ENSHRINED PROTECTIONS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.

FOR EXAMPLE, RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IS IN THE LIST YOU MENTIONED.

SO NOW IF IT PASSES, WE WILL HAVE LITIGATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM RIGHTS AND YOUR TRANSGENDER RIGHTS.

OR MAYBE EVEN YOUR GENDER RIGHTS.

AND SO-- AND THERE IS NO GUIDANCE BEING GIVEN TO THE COURTS IN TERMS OF WHETHER WE WOULD USE INTERMEDIATE SCRUTINY OR STRICT SCRUTINY OR RATIONAL BASIS REVIEW TO DECIDE THE CASES.

IT'S LITIGATION SPAWNING AND I DON'T THINK IT ACCOMPLISHES EVEN POLITICALLY, WHAT THE PROPONENTS WANTED IT TO DO, LET ALONE LEGALLY.

>> YOU DIDN'T TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO THINK BUT YOU TOLD THEM WHAT TO THINK.

BUT I'M REALLY GLAD... >> BUT SUBTLY.

>> I AM GLAD YOU EXPLAINED THE EXPLAINER.

HOW DO WE GET THE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE WORD ABORTION.

>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

WHEN I READ THE LEFT WING PROPONENTS, THEY'RE CLEAR IT DOESN'T CHANGE EXISTING LAW BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO VOTE FOR IT ANYWAY.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE DOUBLE SPEAK TO ME.

I, LIKE YOU, AM WILLING TO DISMISS THE MOST HYPERBOLIC OF THE CONSERVATIVE FEARS.

BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT THE POSSIBLE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS LAW.

AND SO WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO IS ASK YOURSELF, ARE THERE TIMES WHEN YOU THINK THAT DISCRIMINATION MIGHT MAKE SENSE?

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE YOU KNOW PEOPLE OF GOOD CONSCIENCE WHO WOULD SAY SUPPORT A GROUP OF FEMALE SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT OR AN OB/GYN CLINIC SEEKING TO EXPAND EMPLOYMENT OF FEMALE DOCTORS TO SERVE THEIR CLIENTELE OR EVEN LIMITATIONS ON UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS ACCESS TO PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROPOSAL IS THAT IT IS EASIER TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF CARVEOUT EXCEPTIONS IF YOU ARE RELYING ON ANTIDISCRIMINATION STATUTES THAN IT WOULD BE IF THEY WERE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS.

AND SO IF THOSE CARVE OUTS OFFEND YOU, THEN VOTE FOR PROP 1 BUT IF YOU CAN THINK OF TIMES WHEN CARVE OUTS MIGHT MAKE SENSE, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY VOTE AGAINST IT.

>> AND SO POLITICALLY THIS GALVANIZED THE SIDE THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GALVANIZE, RIGHT?

IT HAD THE OPPOSITE EFFECT.

>> SPEAKING OFFICIAL OF THE POLITICS AND TIMING.

FROM WHAT I READ, THE PRO-PROP 1 FOLKS REALLY DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF MONEY INITIALLY.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT A LOT OF VOTERS WERE NOT EDUCATED ABOUT WHAT IT WAS, OR WHAT IT MIGHT DO OR EVEN THAT IT WAS ON THE BALLOT.

HAVE YOU TO TURN YOUR BALLOT OVER TO READ THE PROPOSITION.

SOME PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT AND THEY DON'T THEN VOTE.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE JUST DOING A LAST MINUTE PUSH TO TRY TO GET THE WORD OUT.

AND I GO IT THAT BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE AN ELECTION.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU CREATE THIS VACUUM OF INFORMATION, RIGHT, WHERE MOST VOTERS-- I HADN'T HEARD OF IT FOR A LONG TIME UNTIL JUST RECENTLY ACTUALLY.

AND I'M A POLITICAL NERD, YOU KNOW.

SO WHAT THAT CREATES IS A VACUUM OF INFORMATION, SO THE FIRST EXPOSURE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO THIS IS ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, THOSE POTENTIAL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, MANY OF WHICH ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, RIGHT?

BUT IF YOU HEAR THAT, YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO VOTE NO OR AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE GOING HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT.

AND THIS IS THE SAME-- NOT EXACTLY THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED BUT WHEN THE ERA WAS BEING DEBATED OVER MANY YEARS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, WE WERE CLOSE, THEY WERE CLOSE TO PASSING IT.

THEN FILL ISSUE CAME ON THE SCENE AND STARTED RAISING ALL THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CO-ED BATHROOMS.

YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SHARE BATHROOMS AND STUFF.

THIS IS NOT NEW, THESE KIND OF RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF THESE THINGS GET ENACTED.

>> ISN'T THAT THE PERSON WHO SAID I'M HAPPY THAT MY HUSBAND ALLOW MEADE TO COME HERE.

>> YEAH.

>> PRETTY RIDICULOUS.

SO ANYWAY, WHAT I WAS SEEING THAT THE NEW YORK HUMAN RIGHTS LAW ALREADY PROHIBITED AGE, RACE, CREED, DISCRIMINATION BASED ON COLOR, NATIONAL ORIGIN, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, NEW YORK REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH ACT, MARRIAGE EQUALITY ACT.

I GUESS THE IDEA THEN IS THAT WE NEED THIS LAW SO THAT IT CANNOT BE EASILY-- WE NEED THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION SO THEY CANNOT BE EASILY OVERTURNED BY ANOTHER LEGISLATURE DOWN THE LINE AND THAT PERHAPS MAKES, I DON'T KNOW, SENSE BECAUSE WHEN I READ SOMETHING LIKE PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION BASED ON PERSONS ETHNICITY, NATIONAL ORIGIN, AGE, DISABILITY, SEX, GENDER IDENTITY, GENDER EXPRESSION, I DON'T SEE WHY I SHOULD ACCOUNT VOTE FOR THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING PROGRESSIVE.

RATHER THAN WHAT THE REGRESSIVE RIGHT CLAIMS, RIGHT?

>> I CAN GIVE YOU ANOTHER ARGUMENT WHICH IS, PART OF THAT DEPENDS WHERE YOU THINK POLICY SHOULD BE BEING MADE, RIGHT?

SHOULD IT BE MADE IN THE LEGISLATURE OR SHOULD IT BE KICKED INTO THE COURTS.

THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT IS NOT JUST LIKE CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE AGAINST THIS, RIGHT?

THERE ARE WOMEN'S RIGHTS GROUPS THAT WANT LIKE IF YOU ARE AN ADVOCATE FOR SAFE SPACES FOR WOMEN, THIS IS A CONCERN FOR THEM.

>> JOSH.

>> I'M ALSO CURIOUS WHY THEY DIDN'T JUST SAY WHAT THEY MEANT.

I MEAN ABORTION RIGHTS RECEIVE REN DA DO VERY WELL EVERYWHERE.

LIKE KANSAS EVERYWHERE.

OHIO EVERYWHERE.

RIGHT?

AND SO THERE IS NOT A LOT OF EVIDENCE OF EFFECTIVENESS OF DIRECT DEMOCRACY.

PERHAPS NOT AS MUCH AS YOU THINK AND YOU HAVE TO RIGHT THE THING AND IT'S HARD TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE YOU ARE TRYING TO SERVE.

BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE NOT WRITING IT IN A WAY THAT WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAD A SIMILAR OUTCOME TO KANSAS ONLY MORE SO IF THAT IS THE SIDE YOU ARE ON.

>> LETITIA JAMES, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID IT IS NOT THE WORDING I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN.

ANIRBAN, WERE YOU TRYING TO JUMP IN ON THAT?

>> NO, THANKS.

>> WHILE AMERICANS ARE FOCUSED ON THE ELECTION, THE KILLING IN THE MID-EAST GOES ON.

ISRAEL HAS RENEWED ITS OFFENSIVE IN NORTHERN GAZA, CONTINUES TO STRIKE HEZBOLLAH TARGETS IN LEBANON, AND LAST WEEKEND DIRECTLY BOMBED MILITARY SITES IN IRAN IN A LIMITED RESPONSE TO IRANIAN BALLISTIC MISSILE ATTACKS.

THE PROXY WAR IS NOW MORE OPEN.

SECRETARY OF STATE ANTONY BLINKEN HAS BEEN BACK TO THE REGION, STILL TRYING TO ARRANGE A CEASEFIRE FOR HOSTAGES DEAL.

CHAD, HOW DO YOU ASSESS THE FINE LINE THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS BEEN TRYING TO WALK BETWEEN SUPPORTING ISRAEL BUT HAVING EMPATHY FOR PALESTINIANS?

>> RIGHT.

SO LISA AND I WERE ON THE PROGRAM IMMEDIATELY AFTER HAMAS ATTACKED ISRAEL, ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

AND ON THAT PROGRAM WE SAID THIS WAS AN ATTACK ON THE ISRAELI PSYCHE.

THEY RIGHTLY SEE HAMAS AS AN ENGS TENSION USUALLY THREAT AND RETALIATION WILL NOT BE KIND AND THEY'LL ACCEPT FAR MORE CASUALTIES THAN THE U.S.

EVER WOULD.

THAT'S TO SAY THAT ALL THE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES IN GAZA SHOULD NOT HAVE SURPRISED THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IF IT DIDN'T SURPRISE US.

AND WHAT WE RIGHTFULLY LAMENT THE SUFFERING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE , I ALSO DON'T WANT TO KID OURSELVES HERE.

THE U.S. IS THRILLED THAT SENWAR IS DEAD AND HAMAS HAS BEEN GUTTED AND ISRAEL HAS TAKEN OUT SOME IRANIAN DEFENSE SITES.

DO I THINK BIDEN HAS WALKED A FINE LINE?

NOT REALLY.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T KNOW THAT HE WOULD HAVE DONE THINGS DIFFERENTLY IF HE HAD TO DO THEM OVER AGAIN EXCEPT FOR THE POLL NUMBERS IN MICHIGAN THAT HE IS QUITE WORRIED ABOUT.

>> HARRIS IS QUITE WORRIED ABOUT, ANIRBAN.

>> I THINK BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS AIDING AND ABETTING WHAT MANY ISRAELIS AND JEWISH SCHOLARS ARE INCREASINGLY CALLING A GENOCIDE AT WORST AND ETHNIC CLEANSING AT BEST.

AND LET ME TALK ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE, WHAT IT SAID.

IT SAID THIS AND I QUOTE ISRAEL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR RACIAL SEGREGATION AND APARTHEID AGAINST THE PALESTINIANS AND HAVE LAID OUT A LONG LIST OF ABUSES AND VIOLATIONS OF INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT ISRAELI AUTHORITIES HAVE DONE.

FOUND THAT ISRAEL'S OCCUPATION IS ILLEGAL AND IT HAS SET UP CLEAR STANDARDS FOR ISRAEL TO PROVIDE REPARATIONS FOR PALESTINIANS.

WE ARE SEEING A GENOCIDE LIVE STREAMED, 40,000 PEOPLE KILLED, TWO-THIRDS OF THEM WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

ISRAEL HAS KILLED 261 TEACHERS, THREE UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS, 3 UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS, 95 PROFESSORS, 5479 STUDENTS AND 40,000 PALESTINIANS.

AND WE ARE JUST GOING TO REMAIN SILENT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BECAUSE OF HAMAS DOING THIS?

AND IT'S OKAY?

IT'S OKAY THAT WE GO AHEAD AND DO THIS, RIGHT?

SOUTH AFRICA IS CALLING IT APARTHEID, INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE IS SAYING THIS.

PROMINENT ISRAELI SCHOLARS ARE SAYING THIS.

SO I CANNOTY QIF EQUIVOCATE.

I HAVE A DAWR AND WHEN I SEE BODY BAGS FULL OF DEAD CHILDREN AND DOCTORS WRITING TO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION SAYING I'M HOLDING THE BRAINS OF CHILDREN BEING DIRECTLY SHOT BY I.D.F.

IF THEIR HEADS.

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT AIDING AND ABEDDING A GENOCIDE IN THE MIDDLE EAST RIGHT NOW?

>> COULD YOU SAY PERHAPS I WISH THAT HAMAS HAD NOT POSITIONED THEMSELVES IN A PLACE-- >> SURE, WHAT HAPPENED IN OCTOBER 7 WAS ABOMINABLE.

IT WAS TERRIBLE.

WE SHOULD MOURN FOR THE ISRAELIS THAT WERE DEAD BUT TO SAY THAT HAMAS STARTED THIS ENTIRE SITUATION THAT IS HAPPENING HERE , AND I'VE SAID THIS IN "THE IVORY TOWER" BEFORE, IT'S LIKE CLAIMING HARPER'S FERRY WAS THE MAIN REASON FOR THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR.

IT MAKES NO SENSE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE 67 YEARS OF HISTORY, OPEN AIR PRISONS, CONSTANT-- HOW MANY BOOKS CAN I GIVE YOU?

I CAN GIVE YOU THE ENTIRE READING LIST OF 30 BOOKS, RIGHT?

>> I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL 30, BUT... >> READ 10 AND YOU WILL BE FINE AND MOST ARE JEWISH SCHOLARS SO THE ANTI-SEMMIC THE ANTI-SEMITIC CHARGE WILL NOT HOLD WATER.

>> THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE AND IT HAS BEEN FOR A YEAR ACROSS AGE GROUPS, PARTIES, DEMOGRAPHICS AND THERE IS NOT A GREAT SENSE OF HOW THE TWO CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT ON IT.

THERE IS A RETICENCE TO TALK ABOUT IT WITHIN THOSE TWO CAMPAIGNS.

AND WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN, BECAUSE OF HARRIS' SEEMING WILLINGNESS TO TALK ABOUT HUMANITARIAN CONCERNS MORE THAN BIDEN DID IS SHE IS THE ONE GETTING CRITICIZED BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE MIGHT BE OPENED TO IT.

TRUMP WHO MOVED THE EMBASSY TO JERUSALEM, PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEACH FRONT PROPERTY AND ALL THESE THINGS, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE GETTING THOSE PROTESTORS.

SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CLEARLY PASSIONATE PEOPLE.

THERE ARE DEEP DIVISIONS.

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

IT'S THE KIND OF THING THE PARTIES WOULD NORMALLY POLARIZE PRETTY CLEARLY ON AND YOU MIGHT EXPECT CRITICISM TO COME FROM BOTH SIDES AROUND IT.

IT JUST HASN'T MATERIALIZED THAT WAY AND IT'S JUST BEEN INTERESTING TO WATCH.

>> SO GIVEN THAT YOU MENTION THE ELECTION AND HOW THIS PLAYS ELECTORALLY, ONE OF THE CANDIDATES IS GOING TO WIN.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN.

SO WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT, SARAH FROM A HARRIS ADMINISTRATION OR TRUMP ADMINISTRATION REGARDING THIS ISSUE?

>> TRUMP WILL GIVE ISRAEL THE GREEN LIGHT BASICALLY ON EVERYTHING THEY WANT AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WANT IS TO REOCCUPY THE WEST BANK.

THEY PROBABLY ALSO WOULD LIKE TO JUST DEPOPULATE GAZA AND SEND THOSE PEOPLE ELSEWHERE.

YOU KNOW, BENJAMIN NETANYAHU IS VERY RIGHT WING.

HE IS VERY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT HE WANTS TO DO THAT IS NOT IN THE DIRECTION OF AMERICA'S INTERESTS OR STATED INTERESTS AT LEAST, WHICH IS TO WORK TOWARDS A TWO-STATE SOLUTION.

I THINK A LOT OF THE RIGHT WING IN ISRAEL THINKS THAT THEY CAN'T LIVE NEXT TO PALESTINIANS, RIGHT, AND SO I THINK IT WILL BE BRUTAL IF TRUMP DOES AND TO YOUR POINT, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE, RIGHT, HE IS NOT GETTING ANY PROTESTS, RIGHT?

BUT HIS REGIME WOULD BE TERRIBLE FOR THE PALESTINIANS.

NOW HARRIS KIND OF HARD TO TELL, RIGHT?

AMERICA RIGHT NOW DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE MUCH INFLUENCE AT ALL OVER NETANYAHU.

WE ARE THE WINGMAN, YOU KNOW.

BUT I THINK HARRIS COULD BE MORE PUSHED IN A DIRECTION THAT IS-- THAT WOULD PUT MORE PRESS OUR ISRAEL.

SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME ALLIES IN CONGRESS, SOME PRESSURE FROM BELOW.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY.

IT IS HARD FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE FOREIGN POLICY EASILY.

AND A LOT OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SEE RESTRICTIONS, AT LEAST ON THE WEAPONS WE ARE SUPPLYING TO ISRAEL.

AND I THINK THE I WOULD WANT TO ASK YOU, LISA, ABOUT THE LAHEY LAW.

ENFORCE THE LAHEY LAW AND MAYBE HARRIS COULD BE PUSHED TO DO THAT.

BUT I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, JOSH, THAT IT'S LIKE RIGHT NOW HARD TO TELL.

THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT.

>> I THINK, WE ALSO SHOULD SAY THAT NETANYAHU IS TRYING TO KEEP HIMSELF IN POWER AND OUT OF JAIL.

HE HAS GOT HIS OWN-- BUT AND I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU, CHAD.

I DON'T KNOW THAT-- I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WAS STRATEGIC ON THE PART OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WHERE WE ARE NOW ALLOWS FOR MORE PRESSURE BY THE U.S. ON IRAN AND I HAPPEN TO AGREE FULLY WITH TOM FRIEDMAN AS I HAVE THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE YEAR AND RECENTLY A PIECE THAT HE WROTE WAS JUST ABOUT THIS.

HOW WE NEED TO SEIZE THIS MOMENT AND PUT PRESSURE ON BOTH IRAN, WHEN THEY'RE SORT OF BACK ON THEIR HEELS BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT DECIMATION OF HAMAS AND HEZBOLLAH AND GREATER PRESSURE ON NETANYAHU.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED WEAPONS.

INCLUDING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY WEAPONS TO KEEP SELLING TO THEM.

WE NEED TO KEEP SOME WEAPONS FOR OURSELVES.

I MEAN THAT'S ACTUALLY A REAL THING BETWEEN UKRAINE AND ISRAEL.

SO, YEAH, HAVE I NOT BEEN TERRIBLY HAPPY WITH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION THROUGHOUT THIS.

IT HAS LOOKED FROM THE OUTSIDE THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVING THEM WHATEVER THEY WANT.

AGAIN MAYBE IT WAS FOR STRATEGY AND TO GREAT END, WEAKENING IRAN.

BUT AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHERE WE GO FROM HERE IN TERMS OF HARRIS BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT.

WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT SHE IS GOING TO DO.

>> I WANT TO ADD SOME INTERESTING POLLING NUMBERS TO SOME OF THE STUFF JOSH WAS SAYING.

AMONG ARAB AMERICANS TRUMP IS POLLING AT 43%, HARRIS AT 41, JILL STEIN AT 4.

AND SO BIDEN IS DESPERATE TO GET A CEASE FIRE.

HE IS NOT GOING TO GET IT IN TIME AND I THINK THAT HIS HOPE AND FRIEDMAN'S KIND OF MISUNDERSTANDS WHERE ISRAEL IS AT THE MOMENT.

MICHAEL DORAN HAD A PIECE IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL WHERE EFFECTIVELY ISRAEL HAS EMBARRASSED OUR COMMON ENEMIES, HAMAS HEZBOLLAH AND IRAN AND HAS GIVEN IT A POSITION OF STRENGTH THAT IT IS NOT INTERESTED IN NEGOTIATING FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN ERIK THAT IT WANTS.

I DON'T ANTICIPATE THIS CHANGING ANY TIME SOON.

>> AND NETANYAHU, FROM THE BEGINNING, HAS WANTED LAND, RIGHT?

HE HAS NEVER WANTED THE LIKUD PARTY HAS NEVER BEEN INTERESTED IN LAND FOR PEACE DEAL OR TWO STATE SOLUTION.

THAT HAS NEVER BEEN ON THEIR NEGOTIATING LIST.

NOW WE DO NEED TO GO TO OUR As AND FS AND WE WILL BEGIN, SARAH WITH YOUR F. >> SO IN 2022, WORLD LEADERS AGREED TO DESIGNATE 30% OF THE WORLD'S LAND AND WATER FOR BIO DIVERSITY PROTECTION.

BUT A RECENT STUDY SHOWS THAT BIODIVERSITY IS DECLINING MORE QUICKLY WITHIN KEY PROTECTED AREAS THAN OUTSIDE OF THEM.

ONE OF THE CULPRITS IS ONGOING OIL AND GAS EXPLORATION AND OFTEN CONTINUES IN THESE AREAS ALONG WITH THE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

IN AUSTRALIA, FOR EXAMPLE, WILDFIRES DESTROYED MANY OF ITS NATIONAL PARKS.

IT'S A STARK REMINDER THAT IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO DESIGNATE AN AREA AS PROTECTED.

WE MUST DO MORE AND DO BETTER.

>> LISA.

>> 55 BENEDICTINE NUNS WORK AT THE MONASTERY IN ERIE PENNSYLVANIA BUT NOT ACCORDING TO PENNSYLVANIA REPUBLICAN PARTY POLITICAL OPERATOR WHO CLAIMED ON X IN A POST THAT WENT VIRAL THAT WHILE 53 VOTERS ARE REGISTERED AT THE MONASTERY, "TURNS OUT NO ONE LIVES THERE."

ELK EFFECTIVELY ACCUSING THE NUNS OF FRAUD.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE NUNS FOUGHT BACK TO PROTECT THEIR GOOD NAME.

SEVERAL SPOKE WITH LOCAL MEDIA OUTLETS TO CORRECT THE RECORD AND THE COMMUNITY ISSUED A TERRIFIC NEWS RELEASE WHICH I COMMEND TO YOU.

IT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE.

AMONG OTHER THINGS, THEY SAID WE WANT TO CALL CLIFF MALONEY TO ACCOUNT FOR HIS BLATANTLY FALSE POSTS THAT ACCUSES OUR SISTERS OF FRAUD.

WE DO LIVE AT MOUNT SAINT BENEDICT MONETARY AND A SIMPLE WEB SEARCH WOULD ALLOW HIM TO OUR ACTIVE PRESENCE IN A NUMBER OF MINISTRIES IN ERIE.

WE WANT TO BE ON PUBLIC RECORD AS HAVING CALLED OUT THIS FRAUD SO THAT IF THE OUTCOME OF NEXT MONTH'S ELECTION IS CONTESTED IN PENNSYLVANIA, OUR INTEGRITY WILL NOT BE CALLED INTO QUESTION AND THEY ALSO SAID THEY'RE CONSULTING LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING THERE PUBLIC DEFAMATION.

>> CHAD, TOP THAT.

>> THANK GOD.

[LAUGHTER] SO AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, MICRON CONSTRUCTION WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO START IN JUNE OF 2024.

IT IS NOW SLATED FOR NOVEMBER OF 2025.

THIS, WHILE ALL OF THE OTHER CHIPS ACT WINNERS ARE BUILDING FACTORIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THE SYRACUSE HOLD UP, TWO SPECIES OF ENDANGERED BATS AND MASSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.

REPRESENTATIVE WILLIAMS NOTED THIS IN THE NEW YORK 22 DEBATES AND WAS CORRECT IN CITING REGULATION AS A HINDERANCE IN MICRON DEVELOPMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM PRESS THAT ISSUE HARDER.

LOCAL CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES ARE COUNTING ON IT.

>> ANIRBAN.

>> WELL MY F GOES TO THE ASTOUNDINGLY RACIST AND MISOGYNIST DISCOURSES AT MADISON SQUARE GARDEN FROM AN INCREASINGLY NAZI POLITICAL CULT KNOWN AS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

ALTHOUGH TRUMP'S YES MEN WANTED TO DISTANCE FROM THE PUERTO RICO TRASH ISLAND COMMENT, THAT IS THE LEAST OF IT.

ONE SHOULD GO AND LISTEN TO THE REST OF THE STUFF THAT THE CLOWNS WERE SAYING AND WILL YOU SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.

>> JOSH.

YOUR F. >> MY F WAS ALSO GOING TO MADISON SQUARE GARDEN.

BUT MOSTLY BECAUSE OF A STORY I READ FOLLOWING THE RALLY THAT SAYS IT TURNS OUT THEY DON'T PAY ANY TAXES ON MADISON SQUARE GARDEN.

PART TO KEEP THE KNICKS THERE.

THE NEW YORK JETS AND GIANTS PLAY IN NEW JERSEY, AND IN ORDER TO KEEP THE KNICKS AND RANGERS THERE, THEY PAY NO TAX.

SO THE HISTORY OF THE BLACK AND WHITE VIDEOS AND THE MORE COLORFUL VIDEOS, WOULD I SAY FROM LAST WEEK, I WOULD SAY MADISON SQUARE GARDEN MIGHT WANT TO KEEP ITS HEAD DOWN FOR A WHILE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO TO THE AS.

AND SARAH.

>> ONE OF KAMALA HARRIS' POLICY PROPOSALS THAT I THINK IS NOT GETTING ENOUGH ATTENTION IS HER PLAN TO EXPAND MEDICARE TO COVER LONG-TERM HOME HEALTHCARE FOR OLDER ADULTS.

MANY AMERICANS WOULD LIKE TO AGE IN PLACE, BUT THEY NEED HELP FROM AN AIDE.

SO THEY OFTEN RELY ON FAMILY MEMBERS TO PROVIDE THE CARE IF THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID.

EVEN IF THEY DO QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID, THEY OFTEN LINGER FOR YEARS ON A WAIT LIST.

HARRIS PLAN FILLS A SERIOUS GAP IN OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

WOULD IT HAVE HELPED ME AND MY FAMILY AS WE STRUGGLED TO TAKE CARE OF MY MOTHER IN HER LAST YEARS OF LIFE.

I SINCERELY HOPE OTHER FAMILIES WILL BENEFIT FROM A PROGRAM LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE.

>> LISA.

>> MY A GOES TO NASA'S VOYAGER 1 AND VOYAGER 2 SPACE PROBES 47 YEARS AFTER THEY WERE SENT INTO SPACE CONTINUE THEIR REMARKABLE MISSION TO GO WHERE NO MANMADE OBJECT HAS GONE BEFORE.

EXPLORING THE OUTER SOLAR SYSTEM, DISCOVERING MOONS, OBSERVING UNIQUE PLANETARY FEATURES AND THE LIST AFTER ACHIEVEMENTS GOES O.

THE PROBES ARE BOTH CURRENTLY WELL BEYOND THE MOST DISTANT PLANETS IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM AND TO GIVE A SENSE OF THE AWE INSPIRING DISTANCE OF OUR SUN'S RELATIVELY TINY SLICE OF THE UNIVERSE, AS IT TRAVELS AT AROUND 10 MILLS PER SECOND, VOYAGER 1 WILL STILL NEED 300 YEARS TO REACH EVEN THE INNER EDGE OF THE OUTER SHELL OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM.

AND PERHAPS 30,000 YEARS TO TRAVEL THROUGH THAT OUTER EDGE OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM.

THIS IS IN THE NEWS THIS WEEK BECAUSE NASA HAS OR DEALING WITH SOME COMMUNICATIONS PROBLEMS.

AFTER 47 YEARS, I THINK THAT'S OKAY.

>> CHAD, SUSAN B. ANTHONY WAS ARRESTED IN HER HOME FOR VOTING IN THE 1872 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION NOW 152 YEARS LATER, HER HOME IS SERVING AS A POLLING PLACE FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME.

THAT IS SYMBOLICI IMPORTANT AND EARNS MY A.

>> ANIRBAN.

>> TO A FOUR PAGE LETTER WRITTEN BY U.S. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ATTORNEYS THAT EXPLICITLY CALLS ON THE DEPARTMENT TO INVESTIGATE POTENTIAL CRIMES COMMITTED BY ISRAELI SOLDIERS AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS IN WEST BANK AND GAZA.

IN PROSECUTING CRIMES COMMITTED BY RUSSIA, HAMAS AND OTHER WRONG DOERS, THEIR LAWYERS WROTE THE DEPARTMENT HAS APPROPRIATELY DEMONSTRATED ITS COMMITMENT TO UPHOLDING THE RULE OF LAW IN THE MIDST OF ONGOING GEOPOLITICAL CONFLICTS, HOWEVER AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS OF AMERICAN LAWS, THE DEPARTMENT SILENCE AND APPARENT INACTION IS A STARK OMISSION.

>> JOSH.

>> MY A GOES TO EARLY VOTERS WHO ARE TRULY BUFFALOING THE ROOF OFF THIS YEAR, EVEN HERE, EVERYWHERE.

AMERICANS LOVE CONVENIENCE AND THE EARLY VOTING IS CONVENIENT.

IT'S VERY GOOD FOR TWO GROUPS IN PARTICULAR, THE FIRST IS CAMPAIGNS.

EVERYBODY WHO VOTES GETS CHECKED OFF THE LIST AND THE CAMPAIGNS WITH A BETTER FIELD OPERATION CAN DO GOOD THINGS WITH IT.

AND THE SECOND IS PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW POLITICS REBOUNDING RATIONAL-- RECREATIONALLY BECAUSE IT'S INJOWTABLE AND WE CAN'T LEARN ANYTHING FROM IT.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO TOSS IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE BARB FOUGHT WHO WILL TAKE SOME QUESTIONS OR ORGANIZATION SOME QUESTIONS FROM SOME OF THE STUDENTS HERE.

>> THANKS, DAVE.

WE HAVE A WONDERFUL AUDIENCE OF BOTH STUDENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

HERE IS SOMEBODY WITH THE FIRST QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MEETING TONIGHT I'M A BROADCAST AND DIGITAL JOURNALISM MASTER STUDENT HERE.

I WANT TO ASK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POLICY ISSUES.

I JUST WASN'T WENT TO BUTLER PEA A COUPLE WEEKENDS AGO.

WE KNOW PENNSYLVANIA IS ONE OF THE MOST CONTESTED STATES AND I WAS SURPRISED TO MEET DEMOCRATS WHO ARE VOTING FOR TRUMP BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY.

I'M WONDERING FOR YOU GUYS SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN HEARING, IT'S A LOT ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

THE ECONOMY, THE ECONOMY, THE ECONOMY.

IS IT REALLY THE ECONOMY FOR VOTERS AND IF NOT, WHAT ISSUE DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO DECIDE FOR THEM, THE ELECTION.

>> SARAH, I'M GOING TO GIVE THAT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN IN PENNSYLVANIA I THINK.

>> I WAS IN PENNSYLVANIA.

BUT I WAS-- I DIDN'T RUN INTO ANY DEMOCRATS VOTING FOR TRUMP.

SO GOOD FOR YOU.

THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR DOING AT THAT TIME WORK.

THE ECONOMY IS ALWAYS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR VOTERS.

I THINK WE HAVE TO BELIEVE THEM WHEN THEY SAY IT.

WHAT PUZZLES ME A LITTLE BIT IS THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

FLOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT STRUGGLING IN THEIR EVERYDAY LIVES AND I DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THAT BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WE HAVE RECOVERED FASTER FROM COVID THAN MOST OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES.

OUR ECONOMY IS THE ENVY OF THE WORLD IN THE TERMS OF LOW UNEMPLOYMENT, THE STOCK MARKET, WHETHER YOU CARE ABOUT THAT OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF GOOD SIGNALS FOR THE ECONOMY AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS A LITTLE PUZZLING.

I THINK THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE A POOR JOB TALKING POSITIVELY ABOUT IT WHILE ALSO, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PAIN OUT THERE.

BUT THEY COULD REALLY PROMOTE SOME OF THEIR POLICIES A LITTLE BIT MORE.

>> BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION, I KNOW CHAD YOU WANTED TO GET A QUICK WORD IN.

>> PRICES ARE 22% HIGHER NOW THAN THEY WERE SOME BIDEN TOOK OFFICE.

TWO TO 4% PER YEAR IS PROBABLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO HIS POLICIES THAT WERE INFLATIONARY.

YOU DO THAT BY COMPARING HOW WE COMPARE TO OTHER COUNTRIES.

IT IS TRUE THAT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE HAVE OUTPERFORMED OUR G7 PEERS BUT THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE EFFECTS OF RUSSIA INVADING UKRAINE.

IT HURT THEM MORE THAN IT HURT US.

>> ANOTHER QUESTION.

>> SOPHIA, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

THIS WAS SO INTERESTING.

I'M A JOURNALISM STUDENT HERE AND SOMETHING THAT LISTA SAID REALLY STOOD TOUT ME.

YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EDITORIAL PIECES IN THE NEWS.

AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE.

WHERE DO YOU THINK YOUNG PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER VOTED BEFORE SHOULD BE FINDING THEIR POLITICAL INFORMATION REGARDING THIS ELECTION?

>> DEMOCRACY NOW AND PBS.

THAT'S THE TWO PLACES I GET MY NEWS FROM AND SOMETIMES NEW YORK TIMES.

BUT YOU KNOW MAINSTREAM MEDIA ALWAYS LIES AND SAYS ALL KINDS OF LIES ALL THE TIME.

IN FACT THERE IS A BOOK AT THAT TIME CAME OUT ABOUT NEW YORK TIMES.

YOU CAN WRITE TO ME AND I'LL SEND YOU THE REFERENCE WHICH SHOWS HOW NEW YORK TIMES LIES ABOUT THE FOREIGN POLICY AND THE U.S. READ HISTORY.

READ A LARGE NUMBER OF STUFF AND BE SCENT CAL ABOUT NEWS.

ALWAYS BE SKEPTICAL ABOUT NEWS AND DOUBLE CHECK THINGS, RIGHT?

BECAUSE EVEN THE BEST NEWS OUTLETS, THEY COLOR THEIR NEWS AND CONSTANTLY LIE AND NEW YORK TIMES FOREMOST ABOUT THEM.

>> SKEPTICAL, NOT CYNICAL.

JOSH DO YOU WANT TO JUMP ON THAT.

>> I WOULD BE SKEPTICAL OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT NEWS.

I THINK JOURNALISM HAS ITS FLAWS BUT THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD REPORTING.

A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT CARE ABOUT THIS AND LAY OW THE FACTS ON THE ISSUES THAT THEY CARE ABOUT.

I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN YOUNG PEOPLE TO DISCERN FACT FROM FICTION ONLINE.

THEY GREW UP IN IT.

IT'S THE WATER THEY WERE SWIMMING IN AND SO I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT CAN HELP YOU OUT.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> MY NAME IS ANNA.

I'M A POLITICAL SCIENCE AND JOURNALISM STUDENT HERE AT S.U.

MY QUESTION FOR YOU ALL IS PERSONAL BIAS ASIDE, WHICH MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATE DO YOU THINK RAN A BETTER CAMPAIGN THIS ELECTION CYCLE FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND WHY?

CAN YOU IDENTIFY ANY PIVOTAL MOMENTS IN EITHER CAMPAIGN.

>> LISA, DO YOU WANT TO TACKLE THAT WHO RAN THE BETTER CAMPAIGN?

>> LOOK, WHAT I WILL SAY IS I THINK HARRIS HASN'T RUN BEST CAMPAIGN.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS RUN A BETTER CAMPAIGN.

>> NICE HEDGE.

>> WELL, I MEAN, SO I REFUSE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, RESPECTFULLY.

BUT I JUST THERE HAVE BEEN MOMENTS-- SHE SEEMED TO ME TO BE BOBBING AROUND, REACTING TO PRESSURE TO SIT DOWN WITH THIS MEDIA LESS LET AND SOME OF THOSE I DON'T THINK SERVED HER WELL.

I THOUGHT HER SPEECH LAST NIGHT WAS OUTSTANDING, BUT, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK SHE IS THE STRONGEST CANDIDATE THAT WE HAVE EVER SEEN.

BUT THIS IS WHAT OUR SYSTEM SEEMS TO BE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING AT THE MOMENT.

>> LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY, ALL RIGHT?

ONE CANDIDATE SAYS I'M THE PROTECTOR OF WOMEN AND THE FATHER OF IVF.

THE OTHER CANDIDATE GIVES OUT ECONOMIC POLICY AND ACTUALLY HAS SAT DOWN WITH MULTIPLE, EVEN WITH FOX NEWS, RIGHT.

>> THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHE IS RUNNING A GOOD CAMPAIGN.

>> CAMPAIGN IS PART OF ALL THESE THINGS, RIGHT?

SO IN ONE SIDE I SEE JUST EMPTINESS, LIKE STUPIDITY TO BE HONEST IF YOU WANT ME TO BE.

AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE IS OF COURSE OF COURSE, KAMALA HARRIS IS MAYBE NOT THE BEST, YOU KNOW, BUT SHE HAS SUBSTANCE.

SHE HAS GONE IN DIFFERENT PLACES TO SAY THESE THINGS, RIGHT SO I THINK IT'S MISOGYNY WHEN PEOPLE SAY KAMALA HARRIS IS THIS THAT AND THE OTHER.

>> I THIS I SHE HAS HAD 100 DAYS.

I THINK SHE HAS DONE FANTASTIC WITH THE TIME SHE HAS HAD.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.

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