YOU'VE HEARD WHAT ALL THE NATIONAL PUNDITS SAY ABOUT THAT FBI SEARCH AT MAR-A-LAGO.

STAY TUNED TO HEAR WHAT OUR LOCAL PROFESSORS THINK.

IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M BARBARA FOUGHT FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.

JOINING ME TONIGHT ON THE PANEL ARE: THE ORIGINAL HOST OF THE PROGRAM, DAVID RUBIN, RETIRED FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.

WELCOME BACK.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

KRISTI ANDERSON, FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY RICK FENNER, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY AND CHAD SPARBER, FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY LET'S START WITH THAT FBI SEARCH AT MAR-A-LAGO.

MEDIA REPORTS SAY THEY WERE SEARCHING TO FIND CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS THAT DONALD TRUMP HADN'T YET RETURNED TO THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES.

PERHAPS SOMETHING ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

WE ARE RECORDING ON FRIDAY MORNING.

THE NEWS MAY CATCH UP WITH US AND YOU MAY KNOW MORE BY THE TOMB WE AIR BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF ALL OF THIS.

WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS, DAVID?

>> I THINK THIS MARKS THE EARLY BEGINNING OF THE END GAME FOR TRUMP BECAUSE GARLAND HAS FIGURED OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THE GUY WHO REFUSES TO FOLLOW NORMS, USES THE LAW TO HIS OWN PURPOSES , DOESN'T RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW, WILL RUN OUT THE CLOCK ON EVERYTHING IF HE CAN AND GARLAND RECOGNIZES THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.

AND GET TRUMP'S ATTENTION.

I FELT ALL ALONG THE ONLY WAY WE'LL EVER GET TRUMP'S ATTENTION, IF THEN, IS TO INDICT HIM.

SO WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO THAT.

>> SO HE KIND OF CALLED HIS BLUFF, YOU THINK WITH THE LET'S RELEASE THE WARRANT?

>> PEOPLE SPECULATED THAT TRUMP UNDERESTIMATED GARLAND THAT HE COULD RUN OVER HIM LOIK HE DID ANY CASINO GUY HE WAS TRYING TO CHEAT IN NEW JERSEY AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT HE UNDERESTIMATED HIM.

AND SO I'M JUST ENCOURAGED THAT WE DO HAVE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO HAS GOT GUTS.

>> I THINK THAT YOU MAY BE RIGHT EVEN IF HE IS NOT INDICTED.

I MEAN I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE AIM OF THINGS.

BUT I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT HIS BEHAVIOR THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF QUICKLY SAYING THIS IS TERRIBLE.

THEY'VE DONE HORRIBLE THINGS, AND SO ON AND THEN HAVING TO EAT HIS WORDS, I MEAN HE WON'T EAT HIS WORDS.

BUT REALIZE WHAT IT WAS THEY WERE LOOKING FOR, IS GOING TO GIVE SUPPORT TO THE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE THINKING THEY STILL SUPPORT TRUMP BUT THEY THINK HE HAS TOO MUCH BAGGAGE.

YOU KNOW, THAT BASICALLY SOMEBODY LIKE DeSANTIS IS GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, ACCORDING TO THEM, BUT WITHOUT ALL THE STUFF.

>> I THINK THERE IS A BIG ASSUMPTION THERE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO FIND SOMETHING AND THERE IS GOING TO BE A SMOKING GUN, BECAUSE IF NOT, THIS COULD BOOMERANG AND DAVID BROOKS IN TODAY'S NEW YORK TIMES ASKED THE QUESTION, DID THE FBI JUST HELP RE-ELECT DONALD TRUMP?

AND HIS VIEW IS THAT THE POLLS RIGHT NOW HAVE SHOWN THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE STARTING TO LOSE INTEREST IN DONALD TRUMP HAVE NOW LINED UP BEHIND HIM.

AND, YOU KNOW, THIS JUST ONE MORE PIECE-- COULD BE ONE MORE BRICK IN PUTTING DONALD TRUMP OUT OF BUSINESS OR IT COULD PUSH PEOPLE, IF THERE ISN'T A SMOKING GUN OR IF THEY THINK THIS IS MORE OF JUST, YOU KNOW, POLITICAL POSTURING, THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY HELP HIM.

>> I WANT TO PICK UP ON THIS INDICTMENT THEME.

ANDREW McCARTHY AT THE NATIONAL REVIEW HAD AN INTERESTING PIECE.

YOU MAY HATE IT BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING PIECE WHERE ONE OF THE THINGS HE ARGUED IS THAT THIS SEARCH IS A PRETEXT FOR FINDING JANUARY 6 STUFF.

WE ARE SEEING THAT MIGHT BE WRONG, ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS NUCLEAR INFORMATION HERE BUT THERE IS ANOTHER PART OF THE ARGUMENT THAT HE BELIEVES THAT WE SHOULDN'T INDICT TRUMP FOR NON-VIOLENT OFFENSE BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WOULD POLITICIZE THE D.O.J.

AND INCITE MORE VIOLENCE FROM THE EXTREME RIGHT WING BRANCH, WHICH WE ARE SEEING NOW.

SO THERE IS A PART OF ME THAT, OKAY, IF WE BUY INTO THAT, WHAT IS THE END GAME HERE?

IS IT JUST THE FBI WANTING TO GET THESE VERY SENSITIVE DOCUMENTS BACK IN THEIR OWN POCKETS?

OR IS IT REALLY WE ARE GOING TO INDICT THIS GUY AND WE ARE GOING TO TRY HIM IN COURT AND TO WHAT END?

>> WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?

>> WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?

I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT HE'S AFRAID OF, RISING VIOLENCE AND INCREASING THE POLITICALIZATION.

>> FEAR OF THE RISING VIOLENCE FROM MAYBE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION DO YOU THINK?

LIKE 2%?

THE FEAR THAT THERE WILL BE VIOLENCE IN THE STREETS WOULD STOP YOU FROM DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET THIS MAN OUT OF PUBLIC LIFE?

THEN WE'VE LOST THE GAME.

>> YOU SAID TO GET HIM OUT OF PUBLIC LIFE.

THAT IS NOT ACCURATE, RIGHT?

THE CONSTITUTION-- THIS IS THE ECONOMIST.

THE CONSTITUTION WHICH SPELLS OUT THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR SERVING AS PRESIDENT IS SILENT ON THE QUESTION OF CRIMINAL RECORD; THAT THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO BUT NOT A FAR FETCHED ONE.

AMERICA FACES THE POSSIBILITY OF AN INDICTED OR CONVICTED CANDIDATE WINNING A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WHILE CAMPAIGNING AGAINST THE RULE OF LAW.

>> I AGREE.

I THINK THAT IF WE ARE THINKING THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RELY ON A CLAUSE THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU ARE INDICTED, YOU ARE NO LONGER QUALIFIED FOR FEDERAL OFFICE, THEN THE COURTS HAVE REALLY ACTED TO SAY THAT THE CONSTITUTION AND THE SMALL NUMBER OF CRITERIA THAT LEAD TO QUALIFICATION FOR PRESIDENT'S OFFICE IS GOING TO TRUMP, PUN INTENDED HERE, OTHER LANGUAGE.

I THINK THE ONLY WAY THIS IS GOING TO WORK, IF IT CONVINCES INDEPENDENT AND MODERATE REPUBLICANS THAT HE IS UNFIT.

AND THAT WILL ONLY BE IF THERE IS SIGNIFICANT FINDINGS HERE.

IF IT'S EVEN, YOU KNOW,-- UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING VERY, VERY SENSITIVE AND IS ABLE TO BE EXPLAINED IN THAT WAY, I THINK IT IS GOING TO BOOMERANG AND PUT SOME OF THE FOLKS BACK TO TRUMP.

THAT'S WHAT I FEAR.

>> KRISTI, ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE VIOLENCE AND THE TALK ON SOCIAL MEDIA HAS RAMPED UP IN RECENT WEEKS?

>> SO MUCH HAPPENS EVERY TIME ANYTHING HAPPENS THOUGH.

YES, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM SURPRISING TO ME.

I REALLY THINK YOUR POINT IS A GOOD ONE THOUGH.

HOW IT IS FRAMED.

HOW, WHATEVER THEY GET IS TALKED ABOUT AND WHO SAYS WHAT ABOUT IT.

A LOT OF HIS SUPPORTERS ARE NEVER GOING TO BE CONVINCED THAT , YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T ATTACKING HIM AND THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING CORRECT.

AND I CAN IMAGINE PEOPLE SAYING WELL, WHO CARES ABOUT THE NATIONAL RECORDS?

HE WAS THE PRESIDENT, HE COULD HAVE THIS STUFF.

THIS WAS HIS STUFF.

>> I'VE ALWAYS SAID A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT I THINK WHAT WE NEED IS A CRITICAL MASS OF ABOUT TWO-THIRDS TO THREE QUARTERS OF AMERICANS TO BELIEVE.

WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GET THE EXTREME-- THAT SHOULD NOT BE WHAT IS DRIVING THIS.

>> THAT'S WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAID WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF.

>> WHEN YOU SAY YOU, I DON'T MEAN KNOW IF YOU MEAN ME PERSONAL OR... >> YOU PERSONAL ALREADY OR THE PEOPLE YOU ARE QUOTING.

WE CAN'T GOVERN FROM FEAR.

>> LET'S BE CLEAR.

I WANT JUSTICE TO BE DONE.

>> THERE WILL BE GUYS IN CINCINNATI WHO ARE GOING TO ATTACK AN FBI OFFICE BUT YOU CAN'T GOVERN BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO YES, THERE IS GOING TO BE THIS KIND OF SOCIAL MEDIA BUZZ OUT THERE, ALTHOUGH AT LEAST THIS TIME WE DON'T HAVE A JANUARY 6 CAPITOL TO ATTACK.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE STRATEGY IS GOING TO BE IN THE STREETS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO START A CIVIL WAR.

>> OKAY.

WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE BECAUSE I'M SURE WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO IT NEXT WEEK OR IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

>> EVERY WEEK.

>> >> BACK IN WASHINGTON, SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER IS TOUTING THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT.

WE'RE RECORDING ON FRIDAY MORNING AND THE BILL IS BEFORE THE HOUSE.

THE MEMBERS MAY HAVE PASSED IT BY THE TIME THIS SHOW AIRS.

PRESUMING IT PASSES, IS IT REALLY INFLATION REDUCTION?

RICK?

>> I THINK THE ACT HAS THE ABILITY TO REDUCE A NUMBER OF THINGS.

1, THE BUDGET DEFICIT.

THE COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBLE FEDERAL BUDGET THINKS THAT UP TO $2 TRILLION IN FEDERAL BUDGET DEFICIT BE CLOSED OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO CLOSE THE TAX GAP, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TAX THAT IS OWED ACCORDING TO THE TAX CODE AND HOW MUCH IS ACTUALLY COLLECTED.

IT MAY ACTUALLY EVEN REDUCE GLOBAL WARMING A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE PROVISIONS.

UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THE ABILITY TO REDUCE INFLATION IS PRETTY FAR DOWN ON THE LIST OF THINGS THAT IT'S GOING TO DO.

FIRST THERE IS NO QUICK TRIGGER THAT'S GOING TO REDUCE INFLATION.

PLUS MANY OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK MAY HAVE GOP A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TOWARDS REDUCING DEMAND IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE WERE DROPPED FROM WHAT IS NOW ON THE TABLE HERE.

>> I THINK THEY MAY AS WELL HAVE CALLED IT THE FREE PUPPIES FOR ALL ACT BECAUSE IT HAS AS MUCH TO DO ABOUT THAT AS IT DOES WITH INFLATION REDUCTION.

THAT QUIBBLE ASIDE, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A TERRIBLE BILL.

THE CENTRAL STRENGTH IS CLIMATE CHANGE BIT.

BUT I WANT TO FOCUS MOSTLY ON WHAT I THINK IS THE CENTRAL WEAKNESS AND THAT IS THE STUFF REGARDING PHARMACEUTICAL PRICING ELEMENTS.

I THINK INCENTIVES MATTERS AND I WORRY THAT EFFECTIVELY HAVING PRICE CONTROLS, IT WILL REDUCE INCENTIVE FOR NEW PRODUCTS.

MEDICARE YOU SEE UP ON YOUR SCREEN, MEDICARE WILL BE NEGOTIATING FOR DRUG PRICES STARTING IN 2026.

IT'S GOING TO START WITH JUST THE DRUGS THAT WE SPEND THE MOST AMOUNT OF MONEY ON SO THAT'S A TARGETED LIST OF ABOUT 14 POSSIBILITIES RIGHT NOW.

THE ULTIMATE LIST WILL GROW TO 60 BY THE END OF THE DECADE.

SO IF YOUR DRUG IS COVERED, THAT'S GREAT FOR YOU ARE.

YOU ARE GOING TO GET LOWER PRICES.

MY CONCERN IS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE AILMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE GREAT MEDICAL TREATMENTS, PHARMACEUTICAL TREATMENTS.

AND THAT ANY OF THESE SORT OF INTERVENTIONS INTO THE MARKET TO CONTROL HOW MUCH PROFIT THE COMPANIES CAN MAKE IS GOING TO DISSUADE THEM FROM DEVELOPING NEW PRODUCTS WE MIGHT LIKE.

>> CLEARLY PRODUCTS LIKE INSULIN, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH ARE WAY, WAY OVERPRICED AND ARE NOT -- THEY WERE INVENTED YEARS AGO.

HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THOSE?

>> THE INSULIN THING I DON'T REALLY GET.

IT WAS DISCOVERED 100 YEARS AGO.

WE SHOULD CERTAINLY HAVE GENERAL RICKS ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW THAT CAN DO IT.

THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THREE YEARS AGO TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT WAS GOING ON AND THEIR TAKE IS THAT THERE ARE INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS IN INSULINS LIN PRODUCTS THAT HAVE PATENTS SO THE COMPANIES CAN GET PROFITS ON AND THAT THE OLDER FORMULATIONS ARE NOT POPULAR WITH PEOPLE AND THAT THERE IS A REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT THAT PREVENTS COMPANIES FROM BRINGING OLDER FORMULAS TO MARKET ON A GENERAL RICK LEVEL.

AND IF-- GENERIC LEVEL, IF THAT IS TRUE, IT SEEMS TO ME IT IS NOT PRICE CAPS, BUT CHANGE THE ENVIRONMENT SO THAT COMPANIES CAN BRING GENERIC FORMULATIONS TO MARKET.

>> JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.

IT IS THE QUAYS, CORRECT, THAT OTHER COUNTRIES, MOST OTHER COUNTRIES ARE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE PRICES.

>> YES.

>> AND MY TAKE ON THAT IS THAT EFFECTIVELY, IF YOU ARE A COMPANY AND IF CANADA SAYS TO YOU, WE'LL PAY THIS MUCH AS LONG AS THAT PRICE IS ABOVE MARGINAL COST, THEY'LL SUPPLY IT.

WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE U.S. IS IT EFFECTIVELY SUBSIDIZED THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS FOR PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES ON THE BEHALF OF THE REST OF THE WORLD.

OUR GIFT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.

>> WHY SHOULD WE DO THAT?

>> WHY SHOULD WE DO THAT?

>> THE BENEFIT OF OUR OWN... >> NO, THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION.

WHY SHOULD WE DO THAT?

WHY SHOULD AMERICAN DRUG PURCHASERS BE SUBSIDIZING THE R & D THAT GOES ON THAT HELPS THE REST OF THE WORLD?

>> BECAUSE WE CAN FIRST OF ALL.

>> NOT... >> BECAUSE AS I GET OLDER, I BENEFITED FROM A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS IN DRUG TREATMENTS AND THINGS.

WHERE I MIGHT DISAGREE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT, CHAD, I DON'T EQUATE THE TERM NEGOTIATE WITH PRICE CONTROL.

AND LARGE INSURANCE COMPANIES, THEY DON'T HAVE QUITE THE POWER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BUT THEY'RE NEGOTIATING WITH, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS NECESSARILY GOING TO BE DE FACTO PRICE CONTROL.

>> ONE OF THE LESS SEXY THINGS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THIS THOUGH IS THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE THIS REBATE THAT COMPANIES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT IF THE PRICES OF THEIR DRUGS GO UP HIGHER THAN THE RATE OF INFLATION, WHICH IS WEIRD.

>> I AGREE THAT THAT IS PROBLEMATIC.

>> THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT OPENS THE DOOR TO FORCING BIG PHARMA TO START TO NEGOTIATE AND BEGINNING WITH THESE DRUGS THAT YOU MENTIONED AND WITH MEDICARE, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO THIS FOR YEARS.

AND PEOPLE LIKE MY SENATOR TIM SCOTT HAVE STOPPED IT BECAUSE THEY'RE CARRYING WATER FOR BIG PHARMA AND THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN ALLOWING THIS KIND OF NEGOTIATION.

THIS BILL CHANGES THAT THAT'S WHY THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT BILL AND THE POWER IS BEGINNING SLOWLY TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE BIG DRUG COMPANIES.

LET ME JUST SAY YOU SAID IT IS NOT A TERRIBLE BILL.

I WOULD GO FURTHER.

THIS IS A TERRIFIC BILL.

AND THE ONLY TWO AREAS THAT BOTHER ME ARE ONES THAT ALSO BOTHER YOU CONCERNING WHEN KRISTIN DID ABOUT THE CARRY FORWARD AND TAX PROVISIONS BUT ALSO THE INSULIN CAP SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN STRIPPED OUT SO THAT IT DIDN'T COVER EVERYBODY.

THAT WAS MY OTHER SENATOR, LINDSEY GRAHAM WHO DID THAT.

BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS BILL, I THINK, IS GREAT, AND I'LL MENTION JUST ONE: IT'S CHANGED THE NARRATIVE ABOUT JOE BIDEN.

THE NARRATIVE IS THAT BIDEN IS A FAILING PRESIDENT, HIS NUMBERS ARE TERRIBLE, HE IS TOO OLD.

MANCHIN IS RUNNING RINGS AROUND BIDEN, SCHUMER CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE.

HIS LEGISLATIVE RECORD IS FINISHESSED AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PRESS IS SAYING OOPS.

WE WERE WRONG.

LOOK AT THIS, IT'S THE MOST AMAZING BILL AND HE GOT IT DONE AND THIS IS GOING TO CHANGES, I THINK, THE NATURE OF THE MID TERMS.

>> KRISTI JUST QUICKLY, YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN CHAMPIONING FOR CLIMATE CHANGE.

THIS IS A GOOD BILL FOR MOVING US A LITTLE FORWARD ON THAT?

>> IT DOESN'T MOVE US AS FAR FORWARD AS WE NEED TO MOVE OBVIOUSLY, BUT YES, IT IS.

>> I WANT TO THROW IN ONE MORE THING.

NEGOTIATIONS.

I THINK WHAT WE SAW IN TERMS OF THE VACCINES, NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN BILL PHARMA AND THE GOVERNMENT CAN LEAD TO VERY BENEFICIAL RESULTS BECAUSE WHAT WE GOT WERE VACCINES IN A HURRY, BUT IT REQUIRED SUBSIDIZATION AND THE INNOVATION THAT THE COMPANIES CAN BRING TO THE TABLE.

>> LET ME MOVE US TO OUR THIRD TOPIC.

SCHOOL BELLS WILL BE RINGING IN LESS THAN A MONTH.

A FEDERAL REPORT SAYS THERE'S AT LEAST 280,000 FEWER PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS TODAY THAN BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

I LOOKED AT THE JOB BOARDS IN CENTRAL NEW YORK - AND FOUND AT LEAST 300 TEACHERS ARE STILL NEEDED.

AND IT'S NOT JUST TEACHERS, BUT BUS DRIVERS AND SERVICE WORKERS.

IT SEEMS WORSE THAN PREVIOUS YEARS.

WHAT'S BEHIND THIS?

>> ARE I THINK A BIG STRUCTURAL POINT IS THAT WE DON'T PAY TEACHERS NEARLY AS WELL AS MANY OTHER COUNTRIES DO, SECONDARY AND EDUCATION TEACHERS.

SO THAT WAS ALREADY EXISTING.

THE PANDEMIC, I THINK, JUST PUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE ON TEACHERS AND OTHER PEOPLE EMPLOYED IN THE SCHOOLS AS WELL.

I MEAN THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH CHANGING RULES.

THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH THEIR KIDS, THEIR STUDENTS GETTING SICK AND DYING.

>> LEARNING A NEW WAY TO TEACH.

>> LEARNING A IN YOU WAY TO TEACH, WHICH IS NOT OPTIMAL.

THEN PUTTING UP WITH NOW THE LOSS IN, YOU KNOW, EDUCATIONAL PROGRESS AND ALSO IN PROBLEMS OF SOCIAL AND MENTAL HEALTH AND SO ON.

AND THEN YOU ADD TO THAT THE WHOLE PUSH BACK TOWARDS SCHOOLS THAT CAME ABOUT THE COVID RULES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE... >> FROM?

>> FROM PARENTS AND LOCAL FOLKS, THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE MASKS.

THEY WANTED TO START SCHOOLS AGAIN PROBABLY BEFORE THEY WERE OR SHOULD HAVE.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY SHOULDN'T-- PEOPLE ARE SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T TEACH ABOUT RACE AND YOU SHOULDN'T TEACH ABOUT ANY KIND OF SEXUAL PREFERENCES.

>> IT'S A MIX OF SEVERAL ISSUES I HEAR YOU SAYING.

>> I WOULD THINK SO.

AND I SUSPECT IF YOU PARSE THOSE OUT AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND HOW THEY HAD DONE WITH ALL OF THIS STUFF, THERE WOULD BE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF VACANCIES.

>> DAVID, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THIS AS A SUPERINTENDENT OR PRINCIPAL?

DO YOU GET TEACHERS THAT ARE NOT CERTIFIED?

DO YOU MAKE CLASSES BIGGER?

THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.

>> YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THEY'RE SWIMMING.

KRISTI HAS NAMED A LOT OF THEM.

THE CHAOS FROM THE PANDEMIC, THE LACK OF RESPECT FROM ADMINISTRATION, THE WEAPONIZATION OF A CURRICULUM NOW, AS YOU SAY, AS TO WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T TEACH.

YOU HAVE SCHOOL BOARD PEOPLE WHO SHOULD NOT BE THERE WHO USE BEING ON THE SCHOOL BOARD AS A WAY TO FURTHER THEIR OWN POLITICAL CAREER.

BUT ALSO WE HAVE A LABOR SHORTAGE IN THIS COUNTRY AND TEACHERS, EXCEPT IN NEW YORK STATE, ARE NOT PAID VERY WELL.

AND THERE IS A DEMAND FOR THE SERVICES OF THESE TEACHERS.

AND THEY SAY I CAN MAKE MORE MONEY DOWN THE ROAD DOING SOMETHING ELSE AND I DON'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH PEOPLE YELLING AT ME THAT I CAN'T TEACH THIS AND I CAN'T TEACH THAT AND I WEAR MASKS TODAY AND I DON'T WEAR MASKS TOMORROW AND THEY SAY TO HELL WITH IT AND THEY LEAVE.

THE ONLY WAY YOU CHANGES THAT, BESIDE INCREASING PAY, IS THE WORKING CONDITIONS AROUND THERE AND YOU HAVE TO INSULATE TEACHERS FROM THE CRAZY PEOPLE WHO ARE ON SCHOOL BOARDS AND RUNNING SOME OF THE SCHOOLS AND MAKING-- YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THEM.

LET THEM DO WHAT THEY DO.

AND PAY THEM.

>> I REACHED OUT TO A COUPLE OF TEACHERS ABOUT THIS QUESTION.

AND I THINK EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE SAYING IS EXACTLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND IT COMES DOWN TO MORALE THAT IS HURTING.

THE ONLY THING I PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT IS YOU BOTH RESEARCHESSED TEACHERS BEING UNDERPAID.

I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE SIMPLISTIC AND WHAT IT IS MORE ABOUT IS THE STRUCTURE OF PAY; THAT TEACHERS ARE ENGAGED IN A LOT OF AFTER HOURS WORK LIKE GRADING FROM HOME AND LESSON PLANS AT HOME, COUNSELING STUDENTS AFTER SCHOOL ON NON-ACADEMIC KINDS OF ISSUES, EXTENDED MEETINGS WITH PARENTS AND ADMINISTRATORS.

PARENTS CAN REACH OUT TO THEIR TEACHER BY EMAIL ANY TIME OF DAY.

IT GETS EXHAUSTING.

AND THEN YOU ADD TO THAT, THERE IS NO INCENTIVE STRUCTURE FOR TOP PERFORMANCE AND THE WAY THAT THE RAISES-- IT'S UNION, RIGHT?

EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME RAISE EVERY YEAR SO IF YOU WANT BROR AMBITION TO BE REWARDED, FINANCIALLY, THAT'S NOT AN INDUSTRY THAT'S REALLY CONDUCIVE TO DOING THAT AND THAT CAN GET FRUSTRATING FOR PEOPLE.

>> I THINK WE HAVE SOME GOOD NATURAL EXPERIMENTS HERE IN TERMS OF THE EFFECT OF SALARIES BECAUSE INTERESTINGLY, RON DeSANTIS IN FLORIDA HAS BEEN ONE WHO HAS BEEN PUSHING SALARIES INCREASING IN FLORIDA.

SO HE IS PUSHING SO THAT THE ENTRY LEVEL WOULD BE $47,000 IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WHICH WOULD PUT IT ON PAR WITH NEW YORK STATE.

MISSISSIPPI AND A COUPLE OF OTHER STATES HAVE HAD HISTORICALLY LOW RATES ARE ALSO DOING SO.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHETHER THIS INCREASES STUDENTS INTO THE PIPELINE.

WHAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT YET IS THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY EXISTING TEACHERS THAT ARE FLEEING EDUCATION.

THE NUMBER OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE ENTERING EDUCATION MAJORS HAS DROPPED BY ABOUT A THIRD ACROSS THE COUNTRY SO THE PIPELINE IS GOING.

WE ARE LOSING THEM QUICKLY AND NOT FILLING THE PIPELINE VERY QUICKLY ON THE OTHER END.

>> WHAT DO WE DO TO MAKE TEACHING A MORE INTERESTING PROFESSION?

>> I THINK IT'S RESPECT.

>> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

>> IT'S ALL MORALE.

THEY GET BEATEN DOWN BY ALL OF THE NONSENSE THAT GOES ON IN THE SCHOOLS.

THEY DON'T-- THEY'RE NOT RESPECTED.

LET THEM TEACH WHAT THEY KNOW HOW TO TEACH.

TOO MUCH TEACHING TO TEST.

TOO MUCH LESSON PLANS THAT ARE UNNECESSARY.

TOO MUCH PAPERWORK THAT YOU HAVE TO FILE.

TOO MANY INTRUSIVE PRINCIPALS THAT DON'T BRING ANYTHING TO THE TABLE.

YOU HAVE TO LET THEM DO WHAT THEY DO AND RESPECT THEM AND PAY THEM.

THE ENTRY SALARY IN SOUTH CAROLINA IS 40,000.

YOU CAN'T LIVE ON THAT.

>> MEDIAN SALARY HERE IS 64,000.

>> WE HAVEN'T SEEN 64 EVER.

>> GOOD LUCK TO TEACHERS IN THESE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND TO ADMINISTRATORS.

IT'S TIME TO OPEN UP THE GRADEBOOK.

DAVID YOUR F. >> TO THE ONONDAGA COUNTY LEGISLATURE FOR DECIDING TO SPEND $85 MILLION ON AN AQUARIUM.

THIS SHOWS AN INCREDIBLE LACK OF IMAGINATION, POLITICAL LEADERSHIP.

IT'S A RIDICULOUS DECISION.

THE SAME KIND OF THINKING THAT BROUGHT US DESTINY AND THE FILM CENTER AND ALL THE OTHER SUPPOSED SAVIORS OF THE SYRACUSE ECONOMY.

WHO NEEDS IT?

>> KRISTI.

>> I'M GIVING AN E F TO MORE THAN 20 REPUBLICAN STATE TREASURERS WORKING TO STOP ACTIONS AIMED AT SLOWING CLIMATE CHANGE.

LAST WEEK RILEY MOORE TREASURER OF WEST VIRGINIA ANNOUNCED MAJOR BANKS LIKE GOLDMAN SACHS AND JP MORGAN WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM GETTING CONTRACTS WITH WEST VIRGINIA.

WHY?

BECAUSE THE BANKS ARE REDUCING THEIR INVESTMENTS IN THE COAL INDUSTRY.

>> RICK.

>> MY F TO SENATOR KYRSTEN SINEMA.

THE ARIZONA DEMOCRAT.

DAVID SAID INSISTING THAT THE ELIMINATION OF CARRIED INTEREST, THE ABILITY OF PRIVATE EQUITY MANAGERS TO EARN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR AND PAY MAX OF 20% TAX THAT WOULD BE DROPPED FROM THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT.

THIS IS A GIVEAWAY TO THOSE FOLKS.

>> AND CHAD.

>> LAST WEEK I REPORTED THAT WASHINGTON REPRESENTATIVE JAMIE HERRERA WAS WINNING HER RACE.

IT'S NOT TRUE NOW.

THE LATE VOTES WERE AGAINST HER.

AND SO SHE IS NOW CONCEDED.

IF YOU ARE TAKING COUNT AT HOME, THAT MEANS OF THE 10 REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED TO IMPEACH TRUMP, ONLY TWO WILL BE STANDING FOR GENERAL ELECTION UNLESS LIZ CHENEY PULLS OUT A MIRACLE ON AUGUST 16.

THAT'S NOT SO GOOD.

>> OKAY.

THERE IS SOMETHING GOOD, DAVID, YOUR A.

>> MY A GOES TO ERIC MOWER, A GOOD FRIEND OF SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY AND THE NEWHOUSE SCHOOL.

HE JUST SOLD OWNERSHIP OF HIS MARKETING COMPANY TO HIS EMPLOYEES.

SO THE 150 EMPLOYEES AROUND THE COUNTRY WILL OWN IT.

THEY CAN'T NOW BE SOLD TO SOME OTHER THIRD PARTY WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION.

GIVES THEM ADDITIONAL JOB SECURITY AND RETIREMENT BENEFITS.

HE WILL STAY ON AS CHAIR AND C.E.O.

BUT ERIC HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PRINCE.

HE GETS MY A.

>> VERY GOOD.

HOW ABOUT KRISTI, YOUR A.

>> I'M GIVING AN A TO THE MICHIGAN URBAN FARM INITIATE, A NON-PROFIT PUSHING BACK AGAINST FOOD INSECURITY IN INNER CITY DETROIT BY MAINTAINING A THREE ACRE URBAN GARDEN GROWING HUNDREDS OF VEGETABLES AND FRUIT TREES.

VOLUNTEERS HELP TEND THE GARDEN AND FOOD IS FREE TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ALSO TO CHURCHES AND FOOD PANTRIES.

>> I LOVE THAT PICTURE.

I LIVE JUST RIGHT UP WHERE THAT TALL BUILDING IS SO I APPRECIATE WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE IN DETROIT.

RICK, WHAT IS YOUR A.

>> MY A GOES TO LIZ CHENEY WHO SAID THIS WEEK AND I QUOTE, IF THE COST OF STANDING UP FOR THE CONSTITUTION IS LOSING THE HOUSE SEAT, THEN THAT'S A PRICE I'M WILLING TO PAY.

AT A TIME WHEN SO MANY ARE WILLING TO DO EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING TO WIN, IT'S VERY COMFORTING TO HEAR HER SAY THAT.

>> GOOD FOR LIZ CHENEY.

AND CHAD, WHAT IS YOUR A TODAY?

>> WELL, IF YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE NEWS, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN A CLIP OF THIS YEAR'S LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES IN WHICH PITCHER CADEN SHELDON HIT A PLAYER IN THE HEAD WITH A WILD PITCH.

JARVIS WAS FINE, TOOK HIS BASE AND UPON SEEING THAT THE PCHER WAS JUST EMOTIONALLY WRECKED, JARVIS WALKED TO THE MOUND, GAVE HIM A HUG AND SOME ENCOURAGEMENT.

IT'S REALLY JUST A TREMENDOUS DISPLAY OF HUMANITY THERE.

THE KIDS WILL BE ALL RIGHT.

>> IT WAS GREAT.

DAVID.

>> I HAVE TO SAY BOB GREENE WERE STILL ON THIS PANEL, HE GAVE HIS F TO THE LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WAS NOT-- HE DIDN'T LIKE THEM ON TELEVISION.

HE DIDN'T LIKE MAKING THEM AT THAT AGE, PUTTING THEM UNDER THAT KIND OF PRESSURE.

ALWAYS AN F TO LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES SO THIS IS FOR YOU, BOB GREENE.

>> HE WOULD PROBABLY GIVE AN A FOR THAT.

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