THE PRESIDENT AND THE COURTS•SHOULD A SINGLE JUDGE BE ABLE TO AFFECT POLICY EVERYWHERE?

THE TRUMPS GO ALL-IN ON CRYPTO-IS IT CORRUPTION IN PLAIN SIGHT?

AND NEW YORK'S PLAN TO REDUCE THE PRISON POPULATION--LET THEM OUT EARLY.

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED THIS WEEK BY NINA MOORE FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, AARON STRONG FROM HAMILTON COLLEGE, ANIRBAN ACHARYA FROM LEMOYNE COLLEGE AND JENNIFER STROMER-GALLY FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.

FEDERAL COURTS HAVE BEEN VERY BUSY OF LATE, HEARING DOZENS OF CHALLENGES TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS.

MANY OF THOSE ORDERS HAVE BEEN HALTED BY INDIVIDUAL JUDGES ISSUING NATIONWIDE INJUNCTIONS.

WEDNESDAY EVENING, THE THE HOUSE PASSED A BILL TO LIMIT NATIONAL INYOU JUNCTIONS.

THE ADMINISTRATION HAS ASKED THE SUPREME COURT TO BLOCK SEVERAL INJUNCTIONS, WITH SOME SUCCESS.

THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT JUDGES.

SHOULD A SINGLE JUDGE BE ABLE TO ISSUE ORDERS AFFECTING THE ENTIRE COUNTRY?

>> SO, BEFORE I GET TO THAT QUESTION, LET ME GET SOME CONTEXT.

FIRST OF ALL, INJUNCTION IS AN EQUITABLE REMEDY THAT ENABLES THE COURT TO CONTROL A PARTY'S CONDUCT, ASK THE PARTY DO SOMETHING OR STOP DOING SOMETHING, REQUIRING AN ACTION.

SUPREME COURT HAS NOT DEFINED A NATIONWIDE INJUNCTION.

THE IDEA IS THAT YES, THE INJUNCTION CAN BE APPLIED OR ISSUED AGAINST A PARTICULAR PARTY, BUT THE PROBLEM STARTS WHEN THE INJUNCTIONS GO BEYOND THE PARTY AND THEN ACTUALLY APPLIES TO NON-PARTIES, AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM BEGINS.

>> THAT'S WHAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS COMPLAINING ABOUT.

>> RIGHT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, SINCE 1963, 127 INJUNCTIONS HAVE BEEN ISSUED.

AND ABOUT JUST AABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE FOR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE D SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS, PASS SOME KIND OF LEGISLATION BECAUSE IT IS A BIPARTISAN ISSUE.

IN THE CASE OF BIDEN, IT WAS THE LGBTQ+ ISSUES.

FOR-- BIDEN WAS THE COVID-19 ISSUE, OBAMA WAS THE LGBT + ISSUE.

TRUMP IT'S IMMIGRATION BUT IT IS A PROBLEM.

POLITICIZED.

>> IT'S A PROBLEM.

DO YOU CONCUR WITH THAT?

>> I DON'T.

THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT WHILE, SURE, THE NUMBER OF THESE INJUNCTIONS HAVE INCREASED, WE ALSO HAVE SEEN THE NUMBER OF EXECUTIVE SIGNING STATEMENTS GONE UP EXPONENTIALLY SINCE THE 2000S.

SO PRIOR TO GEORGE WSM BUSH, THERE WERE VERY, VERY FEW SIGNING STATEMENTS BY PRESIDENTS AND WHEN THEY WERE ISSUED, IT WAS OFTEN TO CLARIFY INTERPRETATION IN LAW.

COMING INTO THE WAR, THE IRAQ WAR IN 2001, YOU STARTED TO SEE GEORGE W. BUSH USE SIGNING STATEMENTS AS A WAY TO ASSERT STRONGER EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE OTHER TWO BRANCHES.

SO MY CONCERN IS THAT GIVEN THAT WE NOW HAVE AN EXECUTIVE BRANCH WHO IS ISSUING EXECUTIVE ORDERS ON A BAY DAY DAY DAILY BASIS THAT HAVE NO DELIBERATION OR IMMEDIATE CHECKS EXCEPT BY VIRTUE OF JUDGES WHO ARE STEPPING IN SAYING THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER VIOLATES CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION.

>> OOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING-- I AGREE.

LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH IMMIGRATION AND DEPORTATION RIGHT NOW.

HAVE YOU PEOPLE SHUTTLED ON TO A PLANE UNDER EMERGENCY POWERS FROM THE 18th CENTURY AND SENT TO A PRISON IN EL SALVADOR AND THE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW ADMITS THAT THEY MACE TAKENLY SENT GARCIA TO EL SALVADOR AND CABT GET HIM BACK.

THAT'S WHY WE NEED FEDERAL COURTS TO STEP IN AND SAY WAIT A MINUTE, THE FACT THAT THERE WAS AN INJUNCTION ISSUED AND WENT UP TO THE SUPREME COURT, AND THE SUPREME COURT RULED ON A TECHNICALITY, HAVE YOU TO MAKE THE HABEAS CORPUS PETITIONS IN TEXAS INSTEAD OF WASHINGTON D.C., THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD.

TO ME, THAT SHOWS THAT OUR COURT SYSTEMS ARE NEEDED AND THAT THEY'RE WORKING.

AND IF AN INJUNCTION GOES TOO FAR, THE SUPREME COURT CAN COME IN AND SAY WAIT A MINUTE, IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE THIS.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE RAPIDITY IN WHICH THE DEPORTATIONS ARE HAPPENING BUT WITHIN THE SUPREME COURT DECISION EARLIER THIS WEEK, THEY ACTUALLY EMPHASIZED DUE PROCESS.

THEY SAID YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO A HAERING.

THEY SAID THAT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO CHALLENGE YOUR DETENTION.

NOW IT MIGHT BE REALLY HARD TO DO THAT IF YOU ARE ROUNDED UP AND BROUGHT TO A DETENTION CENTER AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL A LAWYER AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

BUT IT'S ACTUALLY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT COURTS NEED TO WORK AND IF AN INJUNCTION GOES TOO FAR, THERE ARE REMEDIES TO THAT AS WELL AND WE HAVE BEEN SEEING THOSE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

>> BUT HERE THE POINT IS NOT THE INJUNCTION ITSELF.

THE TOOL IS QUITE WIDELY AVAILABLE.

THE PROBLEM THAT CONGRESS, AS A BIPARTISAN ISSUE, HAS, IS THAT IT IS THE INJUNCTION AS A NATIONAL INJUNCTION.

NOT JUST SELLING THE PARTY TO THE CONFLICT OR TO THE CASE TO TAKE ACTION.

IT'S SAYING THAT IT IS EVERYBODY, ALL NON-PARTIES ALSO ARE BOUND BY THAT.

WHICH, AGAIN, BECOMES A PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE HOW POLITICIZED IT IS, RIGHT?

THAT IN MOST CASES, INJUNCTIONS ARE ISSUED BY JUDGES, BY THE PRESIDENT'S OPPOSING PARTY.

AND IN MANY CASES, I DON'T KNOW THE LEGAL TERM VERY WELL, THEY ARE TURNING TO SOMETHING CALLED VACATEUR, WHICH MEANS VACATING OTHER JUDGMENTS.

THE SUPREME COURT SHOULD TAKE THIS UP.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION IS INJUNCTED BY SEVERAL JUDGES, THAT CREATES CONFUSION REGARDING THE LAW.

I HEARD TODAY THAT HOUSE WILL PASS SOME KIND OF A BILL.

WE WILL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT.

>> SO IS THE JUDICIARY THEN JUST BECOMING POLITICIZED?

>> WELL, I THINK WHAT I SEE IS THAT WE HAVE A LARGER-- THIS IS A SYMPTOM OF A LARGER PROBLEM.

THAT THE BRANCHES ARE NO LONGER CO-EQUAL IN THE WAYS THAT I THINK THE FOUNDERS HAD IMAGINED.

THE EXECUTIVE IS ASSERTING INCREASING AUTHORITY AND REACH WITHOUT ANY DELIBERATION OR OVERSIGHT OR INPUT FROM STAKEHOLDERS WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THESE SWEEPING DECLARATIONS OF NEW LAW.

>> ANIRBAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A DOUBLING-EDGED SWORD BECAUSE WE CAN SAY WE WANT THESE FEDERAL, YOU KNOW, NATIONWIDE INJUNCTIONS FOR THINGS THAT WE DON'T LIKE, BUT THEN IT CAN HAPPEN IN THE OTHER WAY FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKE.

AND THAT'S THE QUESTION OF POLITICALIZATION.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME PRETTY UNIQUE THINGS THAT HAVE NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN THE UNITED STATES IN TERMS OF WHAT IS GOING ON WITH DUE PROCESS AND HOLDING ON TO THE COURTS AS A CHECK AND BALANCE WITH THAT DUE PROCESS, I THINK, IS REALLY IMPORTANT, EVEN IF WE HAVE NATIONWIDE INJUNCTION AND THIS TREND CONTINUES.

I DON'T SEE THAT GOING AWAY.

RIGHT NOW TO ME, HAVING THE COURTS WITH ANY CHECK OF THE THREATS TO DUE PROCESS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

>> THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY TIME AND THAT'S WHY NATIONWIDE INJUNCTIONS ARE COMING ON, BUT AS THE CAN COUNTRY GETS MORE AND MORE POLARIZED, WE WILL SEE BOTH PARTIES WILL USE THE INJUNCTION AS A TOOL.

BUT I GET IT.

IF EXECUTIVE ACTION IS YOUR CUDGEL, YOU NEED SOMETHING TO COUNTER IT.

WHEN ACTUALLY PEOPLE'S LIVES AND THEIR CHILDREN'S LIVES ARE IN DANGER.

YOU ARE SENDING SOMEBODY TO A PRISON.

I GET THAT.

BUT THERE IS STILL THE ISSUE THAT IMPORTANT LEGISLATION SOMETIMES ALSO, RIGHT, THEY GET INJUNCTED AND THAT CAN CREATE CHAOS AND LEGAL CONFUSION.

THE SUPREME COURT SHOULD ACTUALLY RULE ON THIS.

WHAT IS A NATION WE INJUNCTION AND WHEN CAN YOU USE IT?

>> I BELIEVE BIDEN TRIED TO GET THE COURT,-- GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO RULE ON THIS, RIGHT?

AND IT DIDN'T-- THEY CHOSE NOT TO.

>> ALL 14 OF THE INJUNCTIONS FROM BIDEN ARE FROM THE OPPOSING PARTY.

>> AARON, THE COURT THEN, OR THE SYSTEM IS WORKING THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO?

>> I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTIONING RIGHT NOW OF ARE THE COURTS GOING TO STOP SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT PEOPLE DECLARE THAT ARE ILLEGAL THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE.

AND I THINK WHAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW THAT BY AND LARGE WHEN A COURT IS ISSUING AN INJUNCTION, THE FAMOUS COURT OF JUDGE BOWSBURG AND WHERE THE PLAIN WAS THE MOMENT HE ISSUED THE ORDER TO STOP THAT BUT OVERALL THE INJUNCTIONS ARE BEING FOLLOWED AND WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT THE COURTS ARE SERVING A VERY DISTINCT AND POWERFUL ROLE RIGHT NOW, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE EVERY DECISION THAT THE COURT MAKES.

THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE.

>> OKAY.

NOW A BILL BEING CONSIDERED IN CONGRESS WOULD REGULATE STABLE COINS.

THEY'RE A KIND OF CRYPTOCURRENCY THAT WOULD BE PEGGED TO THE U.S. DOLLAR.

THE BILL HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, BUT HAS RUN INTO AN OBSTACLE.

THE TRUMP FAMILY HAS GONE ALL IN ON CRYPTO, LAUNCHING TWO "MEMECOINS" BEFORE TRUMP TOOK OFFICE, AND NOW A NEW STABLECOIN.

THIS JUST LAST MONTH.

SOME DEMOCRATS SAY TRUMP'S CRYPTO HOLDINGS AND THE BILL'S LIGHT REGULATIONS COULD OPEN A DOOR TO INFLUENCE PEDDLING.

IS THAT A LEGITIMATE CONCERN?

>> YES, I THINK IT'S A VERY LEGITIMATE CONCERN.

LET ME BACK UP A BIT AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CRYPTOCURRENCY.

WE HERE WITHIN THIS SCHOOL OF GROUP, WE ARE LIKE CRYPTOCURRENCY, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS?

IT'S SO WEIRD.

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY BITCOIN.

>> NONE OF US ARE INVESTORS IN BITCOIN, EXCUSE ME.

IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE LIKE I DON'T KNOW WHAT CRYPTOCURRENCY IS?

YOU REALLY JUST THINK OF IT AS DIGITAL MONEY, AND IT BASICALLY IS NOT CURRENTLY TIED TO ANY KIND OF PHYSICAL ASSETS.

AND BITCOIN, WHICH WAS FIRST RELEASED IN 2009 SO CRYPTOCURRENCY HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW, IS A VERY UNSTABLE FORM OF CURRENCY.

BUT THERE IS A LOT OF EXCITEMENT AND ENTHUSIASM ABOUT USING THIS AS A NEW KIND OF CURRENCY.

IT'S EASIER TO SHARE ACROSS BORDERS.

SO WE WERE TALKING EARLIER, THE DIASPORA FOR UKRAINE HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY AND AID EFFORTS IN PART THROUGH CRYPTOBECAUSE IT'S EASY TO GET MONEY INTO THOSE ACCOUNTS, THAT THEN CAN BE TRANSLATED INTO TANGIBLE GOODS.

YOU CAN EVEN BUY STARBUCKS, FOR EXAMPLE.

YOU CAN PAY FOR YOUR AT&T BILLS, BY STUFF THROUGH AMAZON USING CRYPTO.

THE PROBLEM IS IT'S VERY UNSTABLE.

IT RISES FAST, IT CRASHES FAST.

SO STABLE COIN IS MEANT TO HAVE HELP CREATE A MORE LITERALLY STABLE CURRENCY TIED TO AN ASSET LIKE THE U.S. DOLLAR.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS ALSO BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN CRYPTOCURRENCY AND THE CONCERN AT THE MOMENT IS THAT CRYPTOOPEN S UP A BACKDOOR, IF YOU WILL FOR PEOPLE TO GIVE DONALD TRUMP BRIBES OR HIS FAMILY BRIBES OR MONEY IN EXCHANGE FOR LEGISLATION, TARIFF RELIEF, IF THEY BUY, FOR EXAMPLE, HIS MEME COIN AND THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.

>> STABLECOINS BEG PEGGED TO AN EXISTING CURRENCY, THE WAY YOU MAKE MONEY FROM HAVING ONE OF THESE IS EARNING INTEREST ON THE ASSETS THAT ARE BACKING THAT STABLECOIN.

SO INSTEAD OF BITCOIN WHERE YOU INVEST AND HOPE THE PRICE GOES UP BUT AS A CURRENCY IT REALLY IS HORRIBLE IF IT GOES UP AND DOWN.

A STABLECOIN IS PEGGED TO SOMETHING LIKE THE U.S. DOLLAR.

THE TRUMP FAMILY HAS ESTABLISHED WORLD LIBERTY FINANCIAL AND THEY HAVE A STABLECOIN.

WHAT IS FASCINATING ABOUT THIS IS THAT THERE IS A BILL IN THE HOUSE AND IN THE SENATE TO REGULATE AND PROMOTE THE USE OF STABLECOINS BUT ALSO TO REGULATE HOW THEY ARE TREATED.

AND IT HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, WHICH RIGHT NOW, SFRAINGLY, HOORAY, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

THE THORN IN THE SIDE HAS BEEN A CONCERN THAT THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH REGULATIONS ABOUT THE KIND OF DEAL MAKING AN INSIDER TRADING.

DEMOCRATS HAVE RAISED THE CONCERNS THAT JENNY SPOKE ABOUT SAYING WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN'T USE THESE STABLECOINS AS A WAY TO CURRY FAVORS OR AS A WAY TO MAYBE LIKE BAIL OUT A PARTICULAR CURRENCY.

SO THOSE HAVE BEEN SOME OF THE CONCERNS RAISED.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE SHOULD SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MAYBE SOME BIPARTISAN PUSH ON SOMETHING THAT CAN FACILITATED THE ACTUAL USE OF CRYPTOCURRENCY, WHICH THE PROMISE HAS NEVER BEEN REALIZED YET BECAUSE IT IS SO UNSTABLE IN THE KIND OF APPLICATIONS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> TRUMP INITIALLY CALLED CRYPTOA SCAM BUT NOW HE IS ALL IN.

>> HE IS ALL IN BECAUSE HE HAS SEEN THAT THE TALES FROM THE CRYPTOARE KIND OF GOOD FOR HIM.

IT COMES TO NO SURPRISE THAT IN A CAPITALIST SYSTEM THE LAWS ARE GENERALLY CREATED BY THE RULING CLASS TO BENEFIT THE RULING CLASS.

SO IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THESE CRYPTO LEGISLATIONS WOULD HAPPEN.

BUT WHAT IS INTERESTING HOWEVER, IS TO SEE HOW LARGE PUBLIC ADOPTION WOULD HAPPEN.

STILL BITCOIN WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM STABLECOIN, THEY'RE ALL VERY SPECULATIVE ASSETS.

OF COURSE YOU CAN BUY THINGS, RIGHT?

BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN A PERSON BUY A HOUSE AND PAY THROUGH BITCOIN AS THEIR MORTGAGE, RIGHT?

OR MAKE LARGE PURCHASES.

WHAT IS GOOD, HOWEVER, THAT THIS REGULATION WOULD, IN SOME WAYS SO THE GENIUS ACTED PERMIT STATES OVERSIGHT OF STABLECOIN UNDER 10 BILLION AND ABOVE THAT, YOU WILL HAVE SEC THAT WILL REGULATE THIS MARKET STRUCTURE.

AND IT NEEDS TO BE REGULATED.

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BY DIFFERENT COINS, PEOPLE HAVE STOLEN.

THERE ARE SEVERAL TRUE CRIME DOCUMENTARIES HOW PEOPLE TOOK THE COINS AND VANISHED AND SO ON AND SO FORDS.

SO, YOU KNOW, LONG STORY SHORT, IT HAS TO BE REGULATED.

BUT WOULD THAT REGULATION BENEFIT THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE COINS?

SURE, I THINK THAT IS THE CASE.

THAT'S HOW THE CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM WORKS.

>> ISN'T THE POINT OF CRYPTOCURRENCY TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REGULATED AND FREE FROM-- >> SO STABLECOIN IS DIFFERENT.

STABLECOIN GOES THROUGH A CENTRALIZED HIVE BIT COYNE IS DIFFERENT.

BITCOIN IS DESTABILIZED.

THERE IS NO CENTRAL BANK.

YOU CAN SEND IT AROUND, BLOCK CHAIN TECHNOLOGY.

STABLECOIN IS DIFFERENT.

TIED TO A PARTICULARLY STABLE ASSET CONTROLLED BY A PARTICULAR COMPANY, RIGHT?

SO IF G.J.T.

IS ISSUING THE COIN, IT IS THEIR COMPANY THAT WILL HAVE THOSE SERVERS AND SO ON.

BUT YOU CAN USE IT FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE DOLLAR CURRENCY.

>> SPEAKING OF THE SERVERS ONE OF THE BIG CONSEQUENCES OF A RISE IN CRYPTO IS THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF ENERGY REQUIRED FOR CRIP COMPANY CURRENCY, WHICH CURRENTLY, BECAUSE IT'S DRAWING LARGE APARTMENTS OF ELECTRICITY AND WE HAVE A PRESIDENT USING NOSE EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO RELAUNCH COAL, IS QUITE DIRTY IN THE UNITED STATES AND ELSEWHERE.

SO THE CLIMATE IMPACTS OF CRYPTOCURRENTCY ARE IMPORTANT TO MENTION HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT.

>> THAT'S A BIG ISSUE JUST WEST OF US IN THE FINGER LAKES REGION.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

HERE IN NEW YORK STATE, BITCOIN MINING IS USING A LOT OF ELECTRICITY THAT IS OF COURSE MAKING PROBLEMS ELSEWHERE T>> URMOIL MUCH OF THIS YEAR.

NOW THE STATE IS SET TO GRANT EARLY RELEASE TO HUNDREDS OF NON-VIOLENT INMATES.

THE PRISON COMMISSIONER BLAMES STAFFING SHORTAGES-- NOT ENOUGH GUARDS FOR THE NUMBER OF PRISONERS.

TO BE ELIGIBLE, PRISONERS MUST BE WITHIN 110 DAYS OF THEIR SCHEDULED RELEASE DATE, NOT HAVE COMMITTED SEX OR DRUG CRIMES, AND HAVE AN APPROVED PLACE TO LIVE.

AARON, IS THIS AN UNDERSTAFFING PROBLEM, AN OVERINCARCERATION PROBLEM?

>> OUR CORRECTIONAL SYSTEM IN THIS STATE IS IN TURMOIL AND IS A PROBLEM AT LARGE.

BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE HERE THAT I DON'T THINK THIS EARLY RELEASE PROGRAM-- I THINK WE CAN MAKE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL ON THIS.

THERE ARE BIGGER ISSUES OF ON GOING STAFFING, MUCH BIGGER ISSUES WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE BEATEN TO DEATH BY GUARDS IN PRISON AND GUARDS GOING ON WILD CAT STRIKES BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED THEY DON'T HAVE THE ADEQUATE PROTECTIONS THEY NEED, RIGHT?

AND THIS NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED AS A MORE HOLISTIC ISSUE.

ZEROING IN ON MOORE LENIENCY AND EARLY RELEASE AGAIN IS MAKING A BIT TOO MUCH.

THE COMMISSIONER SAID THAT ONLY ABOUT 700 PEOPLE TOTAL WOULD QUALIFY FOR THIS EARLY RELEASE BECAUSE, AGAIN, HAVE YOU TO ALREADY BE APPROVED FOR RELEASE AND WITHIN JUST OVER THREE MONTHS OF YOUR TIME FOR RELEASE.

AND NOT HAVE COMMITTED A VIOLENT CRIME.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HUGE NUMBERS OF VIOLENT CRIMINALS OR HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN PRISONS.

REMEMBER, ONCE YOU HAVE SERVED YOUR TERM AND YOU ARE OUT, YOU ARE A CITIZEN AGAIN, RIGHT?

LIKE SOMETIMES I THINK WE HAVE THIS MENTALITY THAT YOU ARE RELEASING FROM SOMEONE IN PRISON?

THAT'S A CRIMINAL ON THE STREET.

NO, THEY HAVE PAID THEIR DEBT TO SOCIETY AND THEY HAVE PLACES TO LIVE, LIVES TO GO ON LIVING.

THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS START TALKING MORE ABOUT WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION HERE TO THE STAFFING PROBLEMS, TO THE VERY FACT THAT WE HAD A WILD CAT STRIKE AND THE FACT THAT WE HAD THIS VIOLENCE AND DEATHS.

MESSIAH BROWNLY BRUTALLY BEATEN TO DEATH AT MID STATE CORRECTIONAL.

>> I DON'T GET IT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRISON POPULATION NUMBERS, THE HIGH WATER P MARK WAS 1999.

SINCE THEN THE PRISON POPULATION HAS DROPPED IN HALF BUT THE NUMBER OF CORRECTIONS OFFICERS HAS ONLY DROPPED BY 37%.

WE HAVE THE SECOND HIGHEST RATIO OF-- SECOND LOWEST HIVE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THIS, RATIO OF INCARCERATED PEOPLE TO CORRECTION OFFICES.

WE ARE RANKED SECOND TO MASSACHUSETTS.

SO WE HAVE ONE AND A HALF CORRECTION-- ONE AND A HALF INCARCERATED PEOPLE PER CORRECTIONS OFFICER.

SO WE HAVE LOTS OF CORRECTION OFFICERS.

WE AGAIN SECOND HIGHEST IN THE LAND.

YET WE HAVE CRISIS.

AND SO THE NUMBERS DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT IS REALLY AT ISSUE HERE.

>> I AGREE WITH THE DATA AND IT'S ALSO-- YOU KNOW, CONFUSES ME A LITTLE ABOUT I.T.

THAT WHY THAT WE HAVE THAT GUARD TO PRISONER RATIO THEN WHAT IS THE ISSUE ABOUT THE SHORTAGE?

YOU KNOW, THE BROADER-- I AGREE WITH YOU.

THIS IS FINE.

THESE PEOPLE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASED ANYWAY.

AND ONLY 700 OF THEM AND YOU KNOW, THEY WILL HAVE A STABLE PLACE TO STAY AND WHY NOT LET THEM OUT?

I OFTEN HEAR THIS REFRAIN, WHAT WILL WE SAY TO THE VICTIMS FAMILIES AND SO ON.

WELL, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE VICTIMS FAMILY ABOUT THIS WONDERFUL WORD CALLED FORGIVENESS.

THAT'S A WONDERFUL WORD YOU HAVE IN THE DICTIONARY.

>> WE ARE TALKING IN THIS CASE, LET ME INTERCEDE, NON-VIOLENT.

SO THE VICTIMS FAMILY-- >> THERE MAY BE SOME VICTIMS AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS ONE OF THE LAWMAKERS,-- WHAT WILL WE TELL THE VICTIMS?

ASK THEM TO FORGIVE THEM.

WHATEVER, LIKE.

>> WHATEVER IS A LITTLE FLIPPANT.

>> YES, I GET IT.

THESE ARE NON-VIOLENT CRIMES.

THEY'RE NOT SEX OFFENDERS, THEY'RE NOT MURDERERS.

THEY MIGHT HAVE ISSUED A WRONG CHECK OR STEAL SOME STUFF?

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THESE PEOPLE, RIGHT?

BUT I CAN SAY THAT IF YOU HAVE THREE MONTHS LEFT TO COME OUT AND YOU HAVE A STABLE PLACE TO STAY, SURE, LET THEM OUT, GIVE THEM A CHANCE A LITTLE EARLY ON AND LET'S NOT THINK ABOUT THIS VENGEANCE IDEA THAT OH YOU HAVE THREE MORE MONTHS LEFT AND I'M GOING WRING IT OUT OF YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SO BAD, RIGHT?

I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT KIND OF IDEOLOGY.

>> SO I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE IS A CHANGING OF THE-- WE'VE CHANGED THE PLOT.

AND FROM MY PERSON, THE MAIN PLOT LINE REALLY NEEDS TO BE TO WHAT LOOKS TO BE ENDEMIC VIOLENCE BY CORRECTION OFFICERS ON THE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE EMPLOYED TO SUPPORT AND PROTECT WHILE ENSURING THAT THEY ARE PAYING THEIR DEBT TO SOCIETY.

SEVEN OF THE 10 MERCY CORRECTION FACILITY OFFICERS HAVE BEEN INDICTED IN OTHER VIOLENT POTENTIALLY VIOLENT OFFENSES AGAINST INMATES.

SO THERE IS MANAGEMENT PROBLEM.

THERE IS A SUPERVISION PROBLEM.

I THINK NEW YORK STATE HAS NOT PAID ATTENTION TO ITS CORRECTION FACILITIES IN A LONG TIME AND IT LEAVES US WITH THIS MESS.

>> WE WANT TO GET TO OUR AS AND EVES, AARON YOUR EV.

>> SO YOU MIGHT THINK THAT THIS IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT FRAUD BY MY F GOES TO HYDRO TREATED VEGETABLE OIL.

THE FASTEST GROWING GREEN FUEL OUT THERE BEING USED AS REPLACEMENT FOR DIESEL.

IT'S DERIVED FROM COOKING OIL OR WASTE SLUDGE FROM VARIOUS FOOD PROCESSING.

IN EUROPE THEY WERE USING MORE OF THIS BE ACTUALLY WAS PRODUCED PEOPLE STARTED QUESTIONING THE, THE U.K. GOVERNMENT FOUND IT WAS ALL VIRGIN PALM OIL, YOU CUT DOWN THE RAIN FOREST TO MAKE AND IT WASN'T RECYCLED WASTE AT ALL.

THERE IS RAMPANT FRAUD IN SOME OF THE GREEN SOLUTIONS.

>> ANIRBAN.

>> MY F GOES TO THE STRANGE FORM LAT U.S. ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN USING TO CALCULATE TARIFFS ACOUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD INCLUDING ONE INHABITED BY PENGUINS.

ECONOMISTS DID HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THE SNAKE OIL MAP THAT HAS NO REAL GROUNDING ON THE COUNTRY'S SPECIFIC EFFECTIVE TARIFF.

PLAYING WITH TARIFF IS FUN FOR THE KING WHILE SMALL BUSINESS AND OWNERS FEEL DISTRESSED AND ANXIOUS.

LET'S GO MAGA MAKE ECONOMIC GREAT AGAIN.

>> THE LACK OF RESOURCES TO SUPPORT PEOPLE HAVING A CRISIS DUE TO MENTAL HEALTH OR COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT.

THIS WEEK WE SAW NEWS OF THE TRAGIC DEATH OF AN AUTISTIC IDAHO TEEN SHOT BY COPS AND IN OSWEGO COUNTY, A 32-YEAR-OLD MAN WAS SHOT BY POLICE IN A HEALTHCARE CRISIS.

PEOPLE WITH A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES ARE 16 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE IN AN ENCOUNTER WITH POLICE.

THE SHOOT FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER MENTALITY LEADS TO HORRIFYING EVENTS.

HAVING A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS SHOULD NOT BE A DEATH SENTENCE.

>> I WAS TALKING ABOUT ENERGY FOR CRYPTOEARLIER, MY A GOES TO RENEWABLE ENERGY WORLDWIDE DESPITE EVERYTHING IS STILL BOOMING.

A RECENT REPORT FROM ENERGY THINK TANK FOUND IF 2024 FULLY 40% OF ALL ELECTRICITY IN THE WORLD WAS PRODUCED BY WIND, WATER AND SOLAR COMING FROM RENEWABLE ENERGY.

PARTICULARLY RAPID GROWTH IN SOLAR COUNTS.

THIS IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL EVER.

>> JANET EPPS RETURNING FROM SYRACUSE FROM SPACE WITH HER INSPIRING WORDS.

SHE WAS WELCOMED WITH A CITY DECLARATION OF APRIL 8 AS JANET EPPS RECOGNITION DAY.

>> JENNY.

>> MY A GOES TO THE LADIES.

BRITISH SCHOOL GIRL SHOPPING FOR HER SCHOOL UNIFORM GOT FRUSTRATED THAT THE PANTS HAD FAKE OR USSLESS POCKETS LIKE MINE TODAY.

SHE STARTED A CAMPAIGN TO URGE THE UNIFORM MANUFACTURE TO ADD POCKETS TO GIRLS CLOTHING AS SHE WROTE TO THE MANUFACTURING.

GIRLS NEED TO CARRY THINGS, TOO.

THE HISTORY OF POCKETS IS A LONG ONE AND INCLUDES LAWS THAT GAVE HUSBANDS THE RIGHTS TO THE CONTENTS IN WIVES POCKETS IN THE 19th CENTURY.

IN OTHER WORDS, POCKETS ARE POLITICAL.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY WHEN I BUY PANTS AND TO LONGER EXCLAIM, HEY, IT HAS POCKETS.

>> AARON, JUST PICKING UP ON YOUR A FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY, NOT TO BRING IT DOWN TO AN F, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE RENEWED CALLS FOR MUCH MORE COAL PRODUCTION IN THE UNITED STATES.

>> IF YOU DON'T COUNT THE DAMAGES FROM CLANK, IT IS EASY CLIMATE CHANGE, IT IS EASY TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS WORK ON COAL.

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