TONIGHT ON IVORY TOWER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGE.

FREEING UP LOCAL ZONING REGULATIONS, LOOKING AT HOW INDIA IS CHANGING... AND MODIFYING THE RULES FOR TRACKING UNKNOWN-THINGS-IN-THE-SKIES.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ WELCOME TO "IVORY TOWER."

I'M BARBARA FOUGHT FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.

JOINING ME TONIGHT ON THE PANEL ARE: TARA ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE, CHAD SPARBER FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, TY SEIDULE FROM HAMILTON COLLEGE, AND ANIRBAN ACHARYA FROM LEMOYNE COLLEGE WITH MICRON IS MOVING IN, BRINGING SOME 9,000 WORKERS, ONE OF THE IMPORTANT PREPARATIONS IS BUILDING MORE HOUSING.

THAT MIGHT NOT BE SO EASY-- AT LEAST IN ONONDAGA COUNTY-- BECAUSE OF RESTRICTIVE ZONING.

THE CENTRAL NEW YORK FAIR HOUSING RECENTLY COMPILED A ZONING MAP.

I HOPE WE CAN PUT THAT UP.

THE GREEN ON THIS MAP SHOWS LOTS OF RURAL AREAS BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THE YELLOW.

THAT'S WHERE THE ZONING PRETTY MUCH ALLOWS ONLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND OFTENTIMES ON A ONE-ACRE LOT.

EXPERTS SAY WHAT WE NEED ARE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, DUPLEXES, DIVERSE HOUSING.

CHAD, THESE ZONING REGULATIONS HAVE TO CHANGE, RIGHT?

>> WELL, LOOK, EVERY FREE MARKET ORIENTED PERSON IS GOING TO TELL YOU THAT ZONING REGULATIONS ARE TERRIBLE, THAT THEY CAUSE HOUSING PRICES TO GO UP.

AND THAT'S MOSTLY TRUE IN LIKE HIGH DEMAND AREAS.

BUT LET'S BE REAL.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONONDAGA COUNTY HERE SO I'M A LITTLE SKEPTICAL THAT THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING.

WE HAVE JUST AS MANY RESIDENTS NOW AS WE DID IN 1970.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A HOUSING EXPANSION PROBLEM FOR US.

I THINK IT'S MORE OF AN AFFORDABILITY PROBLEM.

AND ON THAT NOTE, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT-- THERE ARE 3,000 COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.

ONONDAGA COUNTY HAS THE 13th HIGHEST EFFECTIVE RATE OF TAXATION ON PROPERTY TAXES.

AND THE MEDIAN TAX VALUES ARE 4,000 PER YEAR, THAT'S NOT OFFSET BY LOW SALES OR INCOME TAXES.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, DO I THINK THAT ZONING LAWS NEED TO CHANGE?

>> YEAH, BUT LET'S ALSO INCORPORATE THESE OTHER TAX ISSUES TO HELP WITH THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUES.

>> TARA, DO YOU THINK THERE IS POLITICAL WILL TO CHANGE THE ZONING LAWS?

>> ACTUALLY, NO, I DO NOT SIM SIMPLY BECAUSE WHAT YOU RUN INTO ARE TWO THINGS.

THE AMERICAN DREAM OF HOME OWNERSHIP AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO AFFORD TO MOVE INTO THE AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE EXCLUSIONARY HOUSING OR ZONING LAWS THAT ONLY ALLOW FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON A CERTAIN SIZE LOT, THEIR ATTITUDE IS THIS IS WHAT I WORKED FOR.

I WORKED TO ACHIEVE THIS AMERICAN DREAM AND IT'S UNFAIR TO ME TO SUDDENLY COME UP WITH CHANGES IN ZONING, ET CETERA, THAT ALLOW FOR OTHERS WHO REALLY , IN A SENSE, HAVE WORK HAVE NOT WORKED AS HARD AND HAVEN'T ACHIEVED THIS DREAM.

I THINK IT IS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL BECAUSE THERE IS STILL A STIGMA THAT IF A CERTAIN TYPE OF PERSON, LOW INCOME, ET CETERA, MOVES INTO YOUR AREA, YOUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING TO GO DOWN.

>> YEAH, I MEAN I WOULD START WITH THE VERY BREAD AND BUTTER POLITICAL SCIENCE QUESTION, WHO GETS WHAT WHERE AND HOW?

WHO GETS TO LIVE WHERE AND HOW AND IN WHAT WAY?

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF ZONING, IN CASE YOU DO, THIS PROFESSOR HAS WRITTEN ABOUT THIS IN A BOOK RECENTLY.

THE REASON FOR ZONING TO EXIST WERE RACIAL FEARS OF INFILTRATION OF PEOPLE WHO WHY NOT WHITE.

THAT'S WHY THE ZONING EXISTS.

I AGREE WITH YOU, CHAD, THESE ZONING LAWS ARE ANTIMARKET IN THE SENSE THAT THEY RAISE THE PRICES OF RENTS AND SO ON.

SO I THINK TAX INCENTIVES ARE IMPORTANT BUT GIVEN THE PROJECTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THESE MANY PEOPLE COMING INTO ONONDAGA COUNTY, THERE NEEDS TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RIGHT?

AND ONE MIGHT ASK WHY IS IT DIFFERENT FROM SCHOOL SEGREGATION.

THE SCHOOL SEGREGATION THAT WE HAD IN THE SOUTH.

HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM THAT?

AS A RESULT BECAUSE OF THE SEGREGATED NEIGHBORHOODS, WE HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST SEGREGATED SCHOOLS IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES.

NEW YORK HAS AN EXTREMELY SEGREGATED SCHOOL SYSTEM.

THE REASON TO THIS ZONING LAWS AND THIS KIND OF STUFF.

SO I THINK A PROGRESSIVE POLICY WOULD BE TO GIVE UP THIS KIND OF NIMBYISM THAT ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS ESTEEM PANEL WERE TALKING ABOUT.

>> NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE MAKE A BETTER SOCIETY.

WE HAVE SEGREGATED SCHOOLS.

PEOPLE MADE ALL SORTS OF REASONS TO KEEP THEM AS THEY'RE GOING.

BUT THINGS CHANGED, RIGHT?

SO IF IT HAS TO BE LITTLE ROCK, I DON'T KNOW.

>> I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT HELP FIX THIS PROBLEM.

THE FIRST IS TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHY WE ARE LIKE WE ARE.

THAT GOES TO YOUR POINT WHICH IS TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF RED LINING, THE HISTORY OF EXCLUSIONARY HOUSING AND TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE LIKE THAT.

THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS IF THEY KNOW THE HISTORY-- AS A PROFESSOR YOU LIKE I PUT THAT IN THERE?

IF YOU GET THE FACTS OUT, PEOPLE MAY CHANGE THEIR MIND.

THE THING IS TO LOOK AT OTHER STATES.

CALIFORNIA HAS A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM THAN NEW YORK DOES.

THEY COULD BUILD FLAT OUT FOR 30 YEARS IF THEY HAD NO REGULATION AT ALL AND THEY STILL WOULDN'T GET UP TO WHAT THEY NEED.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE DONE IS TO CREATE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, ADUs AND TO ALLOW A.D.U.s WOULD ALLOW HOMEOWNERS TO CONTROL THEIR PROPERTY AND COULD BE HUGE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF AVAILABLE.

>> LIKE THE MOTHER-IN-LAW COTTAGE IN THE BACK.

>> IT COULD BE OVER THE GARAGE, THERE ARE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO CREATE A.D.U.s IN CALIFORNIA THAT HAS CREATED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF UNITS.

IN LONG ISLAND THEY ARE AGAINST THAT.

IT WOULD BE I GO DIFFICULT AS A NEW YORK ISSUE BUT A LOCAL ISSUE, TO ALLOW A.D.U.s, THESE GRANNY FLATTS WOULD BE A SMALL SOLUTION TO A BIG PROBLEM.

>> I LIKE WHEN YOU SAID ABOUT LOW INCOME AND THE SCHOOLING AND LET'S GET LOCAL HERE.

I ACCEPT AS A PREMISE WE ALL WANT BETTER QUALITY SCHOOLS AND INCREASED FUNDING FOR SCHOOLS IMPROVES QUALITY BUT THERE IS A 2009 PAPER THAT ARGUES THAT EXCLUSIONARY ZONING IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY OF IMPROVING SCHOOL QUALITY.

THAT IS MEANT TO BE ACCURATE AND UNSINNEDRY AND FORCES SELF REFLECTION TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR SCHOOLS.

LOOKING LOCALLY, COMPARE SYRACUSE VERSUS MANLIUS.

SYRACUSE CITY SPENDS 23,000 PER STUDENT PER YEAR, 58% OF THE KIDS ARE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED, LESS THAN A THIRD ARE WHITE OR ASIAN AND THEY HAVE 72% GRADUATION RATE, WHICH IS THE LOWEST IN THE COUNTY.

COMPARE THAT TO F.M.

THAT SPENDS 3500 PER STUDENT LESS, BUT IT'S GOT ONLY 4.5 ECONOMICALLILY DISADVANTAGED KIDS, 90% ARE WHITE AND ASIAN, 98% GRADUATION RATE, THE HIGHEST IN THE COUNTY.

THOSE DISPARITIES AREA AS YOU SAY, DRIVEN IN PART BY EXCLUSION ARY ZONING LAWS AND IF WE WANT TO HELP FIX THE RACIAL INEQUALITIES AND SEGREGATION, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EXCLUSIONARY ZONING, MINIMUM LOT SIZE, THAT TYPE OF THING.

>> WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME APARTMENTS.

YOUNG ADULTS ARE NOT COMING FOR THE JOBS WILL WANT A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME ON AN ACRE.

>> AGAIN, PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS THERE IS AN UNSPOKEN STIGMA ABOUT, ESPECIALLY AS YOU SAY, YOUNG PEOPLE, LIVING IN APARTMENTS, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WILD, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE AREA.

THEY WON'T KEEP IT UP, ET CETERA.

BUT ABSOLUTELY WE NEED TO.

AND WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT, IN CONNECTION WITH THIS BOTH IN TERMS OF BUILDING, YOU KNOW, MULTIUNIT FACILITIES, BUT ALSO WE NEED TO LOOK AT EXISTING BUILDINGS AND HOW WE CAN REPURPOSE THEM.

BECAUSE WE-- SYRACUSE HAS ALREADY DONE SOME OF THAT IN TERMS OF SENIOR CITIZEN BUILDINGS THAT USED TO BE SCHOOLS, ET CETERA.

>> AND ONE OF THE GOALS OF THIS CNY FAIR FAIR HOUSING WAS TO PUT MORE APARTMENTS AND HOUSING IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS AND REZONE.

LET'S MOVE TO THE SECOND TOPIC.

I WANT US TO TALK ABOUT INDIA, SOMETHING WE RARELY TALK ABOUT AT THIS TABLE I'M SORRY TO SAY.

INDIA ON TRACK TO PASS CHINA IN POPULATION AND THE BORLD'S LARGEST DEMOCRACY.

BUT SOME DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES-- LIKE A FREE PRESS-- SEEM TO BE WANING.

RECENTLY, THE RIGHT-WING NARENDRA MODI GOVERNMENT BLOCKED THE AIRING OF A BBC DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE PRIME MINISTER'S INVOLVEMENT 20 YEARS AGO IN A MASSACRE OF MUSLIMS.

ANIRBAN, YOU WERE BORN THERE.

HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON NOW?

>> WHEN WE DO A COMPARISON ABOUT INDIA OR THINK ABOUT INDIA AS A COUNTRY, IT'S BETTER TO COMPARE IT WITH THE EUROPEAN UNION.

WHY?

BECAUSE IT HAS 22 NATIONAL LANGUAGES, HUNDREDS OF DIALECTS AND NATIONAL RELIGIONS.

YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE EAT AND TALK DIFFERENTLY EVERY 100 MILES.

IT'S A VERY DIVERSE PLACE.

WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT MODI AND HIS ACOLYTES, HINDU RIGHT, THEY'RE PRACTICING IN VERY SIMPLE TERMS THEY'RE PRACTICING SOMETHING LIKE AWE AUTHORITARIAN SCRIM TEAR AND MILITARY VIOLENT KIND OF HINDUISM WHICH THEY CALL HINDU FA, AND THEY WANT TO MAKE AND REPRESENT INDIA'S PRIMARILY AS A HINDU SUPREMACIST COUNTRY AND THIS HAS A LONGER HISTORY FROM 1920s ON WARDS.

AND THE OTHER LIBERAL PARTY, CONGRESS PARTY THAT RULE FOR A LONG TIME IN THE 80s AND 90s, THEY STARTED PLAYING WITH THIS FIRE THEMSELVES.

SO THE PARTY CAME IN AND SAID WE CAN PLAY THAT, YOU KNOW, HATRED GAME, I GUESS BETTER.

AND THEY DID THAT AND NOW THE REPERCUSSIONS ARE TERRIBLE.

THEY'RE GOING AGAINST MUSLIMS OR MIB WHO DOESN'T GET ON-- ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T GET ON WITH THE PROBLEM OF HINDU RIGHT.

THE MUSLIM GOVERNMENT IS SPONSORING ORGANIZATIONS IN TEXAS AND OTHER PLACES WHICH IS UNHEARD OF, GOVERNMENT GETTING A SEPARATION OF TEMPLE AND STATE.

THAT'S KIND OF VANISHING WITH MODI.

ATTACKING JOURNALISTS FOR TWEETING.

AND IT'S AN EXTREMELY, YOU KNOW, UNSAFE PLACE FOR FREE THINKING AND FREE EXPRESSION.

AND I MUST SAY I'M GLAD THAT IN 1990 WHEN, YOU KNOW, THAT THING HAPPENED AND OFFER THE OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS I DECIDED I NEEDED TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT PLACE.

IT IS A DEEPLY SAD SITUATION.

NOW ONE COULD HAVE GLOSSED THIS OVER IF INDIA WAS DOING AMAZING ECONOMICALLY.

IT IS NOT.

IT IS ONE OF THE LOWEST IN HUNG ERIN DECKS PER CAPITA INCOME IS GROWING MUCH SLOWER THAN PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE HINDU LIKES TO REALLY HATE.

SO I DO HAVE HOPE BECAUSE INDIA ALSO IS, AGAIN, MASSIVE AND IT HAS A HUGE CIVIL SOCIETY, WHICH IS VERY LIBERAL.

SO, YOU KNOW, MODI DOESN'T GET TO DO ALL THE STUFF, CASE IN POINT VERY RECENTLY, THEY WANTED TO DECLARE VALENTINE'S DAY AS COW HUG DAY.

LOOK IT UP.

I'M NOT KIDDING YOU.

THIS IS THE REAL TOPIC.

AND AGAIN IT WAS SO MUCH FUN AND PEOPLE MAKING FUN OF IT, THEY HAD TO WITHDRAW IT.

BUT IN OTHER CASES LIKE THE MUSLIM BAN OF CITIZENSHIP, IT'S AWE BAD TWAITION OUT THERE.

>> THAT'S AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE THINKING DOMESTICALLY.

I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD, IN PARTICULAR SHIFTING ALLIANCES.

SO WE ALL KNOW ABOUT HOW INDIA HAS BEEN CRITICIZED FOR NOT CONDEMNING RUSSIA'S INVASION OF U CRAWN BUT I UNDERSTAND IT GIVEN THE CLOSE HISTORICAL TIES AND INDIA RELYING ON RUSSIA FOR IMPORTS OF FOOD, FERTILIZER FOR MORE FOOD.

BUT IT'S PIVOTING MORE TOWARD THE U.S. AND TOWARD THE WEST BROADLY IN RECENT YEARS.

AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF A FEAR OF CHINA AND INCLUDING ITS OWN BORDER SKIRMISHES.

YOU SEE INDIA DIVERSIFYING ITS WEAPONS PORTFOLIO, PART OF THE QUAD, WHAT IS THE SECURITY DIALOGUE, I THINK IS THE TERM.

THROUGH THE U.S. AND JAPAN AND AUSTRALIA.

REALLY TO TRY TO COUNTERBALANCE CHINA.

AND THE COUNCIL FOR FOREIGN RELATIONS HAD A QUOTE ABOUT INDIA SAYING IT WOULD LIKE CHINA CONTAINED BUT DOES NOT WANT TO BE THE ONE CONTAINING CHINA WHICH IS A CUTE WAY OF SAYING LET'S BE FRIENDS WITH THE U.S. AND MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON THIS TOGETHER.

>> ANIRBAN, I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS DOESN'T INDIA HAVE A FEMALE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW?

>> RIGHT NOW...

I HAVE TO CHECK THE INDIAN PRESIDENT BECAUSE THE PRIME MINISTER, I SHOULD HAVE CHECKED IN.

IMRE, INDIA, THE VERY FAMOUS PRIME MINISTER WAS A WOMAN, INDIRA GANDHI WHO KENNEDY HATED.

SHE WAS NOT ACTING WOMANLY ENOUGH.

BUT SHE ALSO STARTED THIS EMERGENCY IN THE 1970s WHICH IS BASICALLY THE FREE PRESS BUT HELD FREE ELECTIONS AND INDIA ALMOST CAME TO THE BRINK OF TOTALITARIAN DIRECTION BUT IT DIDN'T.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS SOON SEEN AND REPORTED TO BE ONE OF THE MOST UNSAFE PLACES FOR WOMEN TO LIVE.

>> THAT'S WEIRD.

GO AHEAD.

>> I JUST I THINK ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION, VERY STRONG CONSTITUTION, SECULARISM.

IN THE CONSTITUTION.

YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT, IN A WAY.

BUT CAN YOU?

SO IF, IF MODI WINS THE NEXT ELECTION, DO YOU SEE THAT THIS CONSTITUTIONAL SECULARISM, WHICH INDIA IS FAMOUS FOR AND WHICH IS PART OF THEIR DNA, COULD THAT BE CHANGING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS?

>> PREAMBLE SAID SECULAR DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC AND MODI 100% WANTS TO CHANGE THAT.

THEY'RE CALLING PEOPLE WHO ARE SECULAR SIKHULAR AND I WROTE AN ESSAY ABOUT THAT.

THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE WORD FROM SECULAR TO SIKH, YOU ARE NOT A GOOD HINDU.

>> INDIA'S NEIGHBOR CHINA HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS THIS WEEK WITH A SUSPECTED SPY BALLOON THAT TRAVERSED THE COUNTRY BEFORE OUR MILITARY SHOT IT DOWN.

AND THEN THE U.S.

TOOK DOWN THREE MORE BALLOONS-- MAYBE BENIGN-- BUT STILL A MYSTERY.

I'M WONDERING, WHAT THEORY DO YOU BUY -- THIS INITIAL BALLOON WAS A BOLD MOVE TO SPY ON SEVERAL MILITARY SITES • OR WAS JUST BLOWN OF COURSE?

>> YES.

I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY WAS A SPY BABOON LOON-- A SPY BALLOON.

IMAGINE A BUILDING, SKY SCRAPER WITH THESE SORT OF THREE BUSES UNDER NEETSD IT.

IT WAS MEANT TO SPY, DESIGNED TO SPY.

I DON'T THINK IT WENT TO GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES.

BUT IT DID AND THAT SHOWED BOTH THE BRAZEN NATURE OF THE CHINESE , THE PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY.

IT SHOWS AN AUTHORITARIAN DICTATOR WHO HAS BEEN IN CHARGE FOR SO LONG, WILLING TO RISK THAT SORT OF THING AND SHOWS INCOMPETENCE AS WELL.

WE HAVE BEEN USING BALLOONS SINCE THE CIVIL WAR.

AND WE HAVE, THROUGHOUT THAT PERIOD, FOUND THEM TO BE UNIQUELY UNQUALIFIED FOR GATHERING INTELLIGENCE.

AND THE ARMY HAD A BALLOON THAT IT HAD THAT IT LOST CONTROL OF MAYBE 10 YEARS AGO THAT FLOATED ACROSS THE EASTERN U.S. BEFORE THEY GOT CONTROL OF IT.

THEY DON'T WORK VERY WELL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CONTROL THEM BUT WHAT I THINK THIS SHOWS AGAIN IS IT SHOWS XI WHO IS IN CHARGE, THE LONGER HE IS IN POWER, THE MORE DANGEROUS HE BECOMES AND WE HAVE TO THINK THIS RELATIONSHIP THOUGH CAN GO TO WAR IF WE ARE NOT CAREFUL.

AND WE HAVE OVER A THIRD OF THE G.D.P.

BETWEEN THE TWO OF US.

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIP.

BUT IT COULD GO TO WAR IF WE ARE NOT CAREFUL SO WE NEED WAYS TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH CHINA, LIKE A BAT PHONE OR RED PHONE THAT WE DON'T HAVE NOW.

20 YEARS WAG WE HAD TWO PLANES CRASH, THE CHINESE WOULDN'T PICK UP THE PHONE WHEN WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT OUR AIRMEN THAT WERE LOST.

THIS IS A DANGEROUS RELATIONSHIP THAT IS GOING TO GET MORE DANGEROUS.

>> ABOUT WHAT THIS RELATIONSHIP?

IS IT BETTER?

BIDEN PLAYING IT RIGHT?

>> ABSOLUTELY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

PARTIALLY BECAUSE XI SEEMS TO BE AN UNCERTAIN PLAYER.

IF YOU THINK BACK TO THE 1960s AND CNS AND CRUISE CHEF, I THINK THEY BOTH REALIZED THAT WE HAVE A LOT TO LOSE SO LET'S RATCHET IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND FIGURE IT OUT, LIKE YOU SAID, RED PHONE, HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER SO THAT WE DON'T BLOW UP THE ENTIRE WORLD AND XI SEEMS TO BE MUCH MORE WILLING TO CHANCE THAT RELATIONSHIP.

OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS A SPY BALLOON.

WE HAVE BEEN SPYING ON EACH OTHER SINCE THE CIVIL WAR.

BUT WHAT SEEMS TO BE GOING ON HERE AND THIS IS WHAT I THINK WAS PART OF THIS, LET'S SEE HOW FAR WE CAN PUSH THIS BECAUSE IT WAS INTERESTING.

ONCE THE BALLOON HIT, WAS SORT OF BLOWN OFF COURSE AND ENTERED INTO AMERICAN AIR SPACE, AND THE CHINESE BECAME AWARE THAT WE WERE AWARE OF IT, IT SPEEDED UP IN ITS MOVEMENT ACROSS THE EAST COAST.

SO THAT'S PART OF IT THAT SAYS IT WAS NOT TOTALLY AN ACCIDENT.

THAT THEY WERE MONITORING THIS AND HEY, IF IT IS BLOWN OFF COURSE AND WE CAN GET MORE INTEL, GREAT.

THAT'S MY CONCERN BECAUSE HE EASILY COULD HAVE QUOTE UNQUOTE PICKED UP THE PHONE, CALLED PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SAID WE HAD A LITTLE ACCIDENT HERE.

WE UNDERSTAND YOU ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BUT WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WE HAD AN ACCIDENT.

AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS.

HE IS NOT WILLING TO DO THAT.

I THINK HE WANTS TO SEE HOW FAR CAN I PUSH THE UNITED STATES.

>> WELL, I PERSONALLY THINK, I DON'T WANT, AT THE RISK OF DEFLATING THE EXCITEMENT, RIGHT?

I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE HOT AIR THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

IT'S SERVES VERY WELL, THE NEWS COMES RIGHT AT THE MOMENT WHEN SECRET DOCUMENTS ARE POPPING UP IN BIDEN'S HOUSE AND OFFICE AND EVERYTHING.

BUT JOKES APART, SPYING AND ESPIONAGE IS AS OLD AS GOVERNMENTS.

CHINA, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME-- CHINA HAS FOR EXAMPLE, HAS BEEN PILL FERRING INFORMATION REGARDING USS 35.

SCOOPED UP 25 MILLION EMPLOYEE DATA.

CHINA HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY MORE BOLD.

IT FOLLOWS THIS OLD LEN INIST MAXIM THAT IF YOU FIND FIND, PUSH.

IF YOU FIND MUSH, YOU PUSH.

IF YOU FIND STEEL, YOU RUN.

SO THEY'RE TRYING TO KIND OF FIGURE THIS OUT.

AND THEN YOU KNOW, THE U.S.

ALWAYS SPIES ON OTHERS AND THEIR OWN ALLIES.

THE UNITED STATES SPIES ON THEIR OWN.

THERE IS A BOOK THAT CAME OUT JUST FROM CORNELL ABOUT THE HISTORY OF CIA SPYING IN THE U.S.

THIS WILL CONTINUE.

U.S. SHOULD KEEP A WATCH AND, YOU KNOW, DETER ANY KIND OF ESPIONAGE.

>> YOU ASKED ABOUT BIDEN'S RESPONSE EARLIER.

IT'S NOT CREDIBLE.

WHEN HE SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT TO BLOW IT UP BECAUSE HE IS WORRIED ABOUT CASUALTIES ON THE GROUND AND IS FLYING OVER THE GROUND THAT HAS FEWER THAN SEVEN PEOPLE PER SQUARE MILE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER.

WITH THE THREE NEW BALLOONS HE SAYS THEY'RE NOT A THREAT BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.

BIPARTISAN CALLS FOR HIM TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT.

THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN SEAR QUSLY.

>> I WAS-- CURIOUSLY.

>> I WAS AMAZED WE DIDN'T MONITOR CERTAIN PARTS OF THE AIR SPACE.

>> THE NORTH AMERICAN AIR DEFENSE COMMAND IS THE ONE THAT DOES THAT.

IT'S A GREAT ORGANIZATION.

YOU MAY KNOW NORAD BECAUSE THEY TRACK SANTA CLAUS.

THEY'RE REALLY HIVE HIF THEY'RE A CANADIAN-U.S. FORCE.

ONE OF THE BEST WE HAVE.

I'M SURPRISED THEY DIDN'T DO THAT EITHER.

>> WE WILL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE AND OPEN UP THE GRADEBOOK.

IT IS TIME FOR OUR Fs AND TARA ARE TELL US WHO HAS NOT DONE WELL THIS WEEK.

>> AN F BOTH TO THE FBI AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL FOR THEIR LARGELY INFECTUAL EFFORTS TO ADDRESS THE RISE IN CRIME, ESPECIALLY DRUG RELATED CRIMES ON NATIVE AMERICAN RESERVATIONS, IN PARTICULAR ON THE NATION JUST RECENTLY FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN BASICALLY SCREAMING ABOUT THEIR NEED FOR MORE TROIBL TRIBAL POLICE AND MORE ENFORCEMENT BY THE FBI WHEN THERE ARE PROBLEMS ON THE RESERVATION AND THEY REALLY HAVEN'T RECEIVED MUCH ASSISTANCE.

IN FACT, THE NEAREST FBI OFFICE THAT THEY CAN CALL TO GET ASSISTANCE WHEN THERE HAS BEEN A CRIME ON THE RESERVATION IS LIKE TWO HOURS AWAY.

>> CHAD.

>> WE ARE NOT PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO NICAUAGUA.

WHERE DANIEL ORTEGA'S REGIME HAS BEEN KILLING OPPONENTS AGAINST HIM.

HE DEPORTED 222 PRISONERS ON THE U.S.

BUT ALVAREZ BRAVELY REFUSED TO BOARD HAS BEEN SENTENCED TO 26 YOURS IN TREASON.

PRAY FOR HIM AND EVERYONE IN NICAUAGUA.

>> TYE.

>> MY F TO THE MISSOURI HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES FOR FAILING TO BAN MINERS FROM CARRYING GUNS IN PUBLIC IN THE STATE.

THE STATE ALLOWS ANYONE TO CARRY LEGAL WEAPONS, INCLUDING CHILDREN CAN CARRY AR-15S AND HANDGUNS.

NO BOOKER FOR 20 YEAR OLDS BUT ASSAULT RIFLES FOR TEENS.

>> MY F GOES TO THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY FOR GAMING THE SYSTEM TO DELAY COMPETITION ON THE ANTIINFLAMMATORY DRUG HUMERA AT THE EXPENSE OF TAXPAYERS.

>> GIVE US AN A.

>> MY A GOES TO ALL OF THOSE IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THIS CORONAVIRUS OVER TEACHING AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY.

MY A GOES TO ALL OF THOSE ON A DAILY BASIS AS A TEACHER, FAMILY MEMBER OR FRIEND WHO TEACH AND SHARE ABOUT AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY AND THEY'RE DOING IT ALL WITHOUT ANY CORONAVIRUS.

>> LET'S HEAR IT FOR HISTORY TEACHERS.

THERE ARE TWO OF THEM RIGHT HERE AT THIS TABLE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> CHAD, HOW ABOUT YOUR A.

>> I'M CHANGING MY PREPLANNED A TO TALK MORE ABOUT INDIA WHERE THEY DISCOVERED LITHIUM WHICH WILL INCREASE THE WORLD'S RESERVES BY 40%.

THAT IS GOOD FOR OUR EFFORTS TO GET OFF OF FOSSIL FUELS.

BUT BIG CAVEAT, THAT WAS DISCOVERED IN KASHMIR, A REGION CONTESTED BY THREE NUCLEAR POWERS.

A LITTLE CONCERNING.

>> SO THAT WAS A LITTLE MIXED THERE.

>> MY A GOES TO 7-YEAR-OLD BRIGADIER GENERAL WOODY WOODHOUSE, ONE OF THE LAST LIVING TUSKER GI AIR MEN.

WE MUST REMEMBER THAT THOSE WHO FOUGHT FOR AMERICA TO DEFEAT NAZI TYRANNY COULD ONLY DO SO IN SEGREGATED UNITS.

THOSE WHO FOUGHT FOR FREEDOM ONLY HAD LIMITED FREEDOM THEMSELVES AND I REMEMBER THEM THIS BLACK HISTORY MONTH.

>> AN IMPORTANT THING TO THINK ABOUT.

ALL THE SERVICE THEY GAVE US.

>> INCLUDING TARA'S DAD I MIGHT ADD.

>> MY A GOES TO REBRIRTSDZ SYRACUSE FOUNDER LOCAL SYRACUSE ARTIST VICTOR MATTHEWS COLLABORATING AND PRODUCING THE MURAL PLAYGROUND IN HEAVEN, REMEMBERING YOUNG VICTIMS OF GUN VIOLENCE IN SYRACUSE.

>> IF WE CAN LEAVE THAT UP JUST A MINUTE.

THERE ARE TWO CHILDREN IN THERE AND THEN THE YOUNG WOMAN THAT WAS ACCIDENTALLY SHOT RECENTLY AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN AMAZING PICTURE.

VERY WELL DONE AND I HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.

IT'S IN SYRACUSE.

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