LOOKING FORWARD TO A 3RD PARTY DON'T' LOOK NOW BUT CONGRESS HAS IS HAVING A GOOD YEAR.

AND ONE YEAR AFTER THE TALIBAN TAKEOVER IN AFGHANISTAN, SHOULD THE U-S EASE ITS ECONOMIC CRISIS?

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED AROUND THE TABLE THIS WEEK BY TY SEIDULE FROM HAMILTON COLLEGE, ANIRBAN ACHARYA FROM LEMOYNE COLLEGE, MICHAEL TILLOTSON FROM SUNY CORTLAND AND RICK FENNER FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

THE FOUNDING FATHERS MAY NOT HAVE ENVISIONED POLITICAL PARTIES, BUT ALMOST SINCE THE BEGINNING, AMERICA HAS HAD A TWO-PARTY SYSTEM.

ONE OF THOSE PARTIES IS NOW DEFINED BY LOYALTY TO FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP.

EXHIBIT A-THE ABSOLUTE THRASHING LIZ CHENEY TOOK IN HER REPUBLICAN PRIMARY LAST TUESDAY.

WHAT DO THE PRIMARY RESULTS TELL US ABOUT THE GOP AND IS IT TIME NOW FOR A 3RD PARTY IN AMERICAN POLITICS >> DAVE, I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS A TRUMP PARTY.

I LODGE FOR THE DAYS WHERE WE HAD A CENTER RIGHT PARTY.

AS FOR A THIRD PARTY, STOP IT.

IT IS AN IDEA THAT IS NEVER GOING TO WORK.

IT HAS NEVER WORKED.

AND THE UNSUCCESSFUL THIRD PARTIES HAVE AN IDEA, THE FREE SOIL PARTY WAS AGAINST THE EXPANSION OF SLAVERY.

THE POPULIST FOR REFORM.

BUT WHAT IS THE FORWARD PARTY FOR?

LET'S ALL GET ALONG.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK AND WHAT I FEAR IS THAT IT WILL BE SOME SORT OF THIRD PARTY LIKE JILL STEIN OR RALPH NADER.

>> A SPOILER.

>> AND THE FORWARD PARTY IS AN IDEA THAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED BY CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN AND ANDREW YANG AND OTHERS.

>> THAT IS NOT THE ONLY MODEL FOR A THIRD PARTY.

TOM OF NEW JERSEY DEMOCRAT WHO WON THE PRIMARY DOWN THERE IS BEING CROSS AND DORSED BY THE MODERATE PARTY A GROUP OF REPUBLICANS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO RUN THEIR OWN CANDIDATES BUT CROSS ENDORSE.

SO THE IDEA HERE IS THAT SOMETIMES THIRD PARTIES CAN GET VOTERS TO VOTE FOR A PERSON THAT THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY VOTE FOR UNDER ANOTHER LINE.

>> IS THAT A THIRD PARTY?

ARE THOSE PEOPLE RED DOG DEMOCRATS NO ANIMATING IDEAS?

>> THAT MAYBE IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF THIS COMING ELECTION BECAUSE THERE MAY BE DISAFFECTED REPUBLICANS WHO WON'T PULL THE DEMOCRATIC LEVER BUT MAY PULL AN INDEPENDENT OR CONSERVATIVE OR A MODERATE PARTY LEVER.

>> AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE NOTION OF THIRD PARTIES IT INTRODUCES NEW IDEAS TO CONVERSATIONS AND MAKE PEOPLE LOOK AT THINGS THEY MAY NOT HAVE LOOKED AT BEFORE.

>> HALF OF THE AMERICANS ARE INDEPENDENT.

WHY CAN'T THEY FORM THAT PARTY MORE THAN SPOILERS?

>> TO DROP POLITICAL SCIENCE ONE OF THE CLOSEST THINGS IN LAW WHICH SAYS THAT IF THERE IS A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS WHERE WINNER TAKE ALL THAT SYSTEM GENERALLY TENDS TO FAVOR TWO PARTY SYSTEM.

IT'S NOT ABOUT AMERICANS AND HOW THEY PERCEIVE IT AND THE REASON FOR VOTING STRATEGICALLY FOR YOU KNOW, A CANDIDATE THAT YOU LESS LIKE THAN A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE, IS BECAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR ELECTORAL SYSTEM.

IF WE CAN CHANGE IT TO A PROPORTIONAL SYSTEM OF REPRESENTATION I CAN SEE FOUR PARTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.

>> I MENTIONED LIZ CHENEY BUT THE OTHER REPUBLICANS IN ALASKA WERE RUNNING IN RANKED CHOICE.

WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE NOW?

>> THAT IS RIGHT.

BUT IT HAS TO BE ON THE LEVEL OF THE ENTIRE VOTING FEDERAL SYSTEM.

THEN WE CAN SUSTAIN THAT PARTY.

AND I REMEMBER ABOUT THE 1912 ELECTION.

AND IF WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT.

>> THE BULL MOOSE PARTY.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

AND ANDREW WILSON WON BECAUSE THERE WAS THIS MASSIVE SPLIT BETWEEN TAFT AND ROOSEVELT.

SO MAYBE LIZ CHENEY CAN RUN.

SHE MAY BE TAFT ALSO.

>> THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

>> WE HAVE THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND IT'S NEVER BEEN AN INSTANCE WHERE THAT HAPPENED SINCE THE REPUBLICAN FOUNDED IN 1860.

IT IS A SPOILER AND WE DON'T HAVE A MULTIPARTY DEMOCRACY.

>> LIZ CHENEY FOR ME SHE LIKE A MA RAJ, ANIRBAN ACHARYA GEL WITH NO WINGS.

WHERE IS SHE GOING TO GO TO?

NEVER TRUMPERS?

LIBERTARIANS, THE GREEN PARTY DOESN'T WANT HER.

THERE IS NO MORE LEGACY POLITICS IN AMERICA HER FATHER FELL FLAT ARE DEMOGRAPHICS.

AND IN TEXAS, WHO RAN AGAINST A NO NAME GUY GOT CLOBBERED.

I DON'T THINK SHE HAS A POLITICAL HOME AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE A JOB DOWN THE ROAD WHEN SHE GETS PUT OUT TO PASTURE.

>> AND NEW LABELS CLAIMS TO HAVE $50 MILLION AND THEY ARE LOOKING PERHAPS TOWARDS JOE MANCHIN AND THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING BECAUSE HE HAS THE ABILITY TO PULL NOT ONLY PEOPLE FROM BIDEN, MODERATE DEMOCRATS BUT ALSO PULL PEOPLE SOME OF THE BLUE-COLLAR VOTERS FOR TRUMP AND THAT WOULD BE A CASE WHERE YOU WOULDN'T END UP WITH A SPOILER.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT JOE MANCHIN RIGHT ON MY NOTES HERE.

CAN YOU IMAGINE THE PROGRESSIVE WING OF THE PARTY, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY VOTING FOR JOE MANCHIN?

>> NO.

>> THEN HE IS GOING TO WIN.

>> THE IDEA IS CAN YOU FIND SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO PULL ENOUGH VOTERS FROM BOTH SIDES.

ROSS PERREAULT DID THAT.

HE HAD 13% REPUBLICANS, 17% DEMOCRATS WHICH WAS SIGNIFICANT BUT HE DID NOT -- >> AND IT GOT CLINTON ELECTED.

>> WHY DOES GEORGE W. BUSH GET ELECTED?

BECAUSE OF NADER.

WHY DOES HILLARY CLINTON LOSE?

JILL STEIN WAS PART OF THE REASON.

>> AND THE QUESTION IS ISN'T IT IN THE BEST DEMOCRATS' INTEREST THAT LIZ CHENEY RUNS AND THE DEMOCRATS COME OUT WINNING.

>> RON DE SANTIS GETS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION AND DONNA CROSS GOES WITH HIS OWN PARTY THAT WOULD BE THE BEST CASE FOR THE DEMOCRATS.

>> DON'T LET THE DEMOCRATS FOOL YOU.

>> THEY HAVE NO TRUST IN LIZ CHENEY.

>> LIZ CHENEY [INAUDIBLE] >> [ALL TALKING AT ONCE] >> AND AND WOULD THE REPUBLICANS LET HER ON THE STAGE FOR A DEBATE?

>> THEY MAY SAY YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION WHOEVER GETS IT.

>> SHE HAS PROBLEMS GOING FORWARD AND WHEN SHE PUTS HERSELF OUT TO PASTURE SHE IS NOT GOING TO GET A JOB I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE IS GOING TO DO DOWN THE ROAD.

>> AND LIZ CHENEY ON LARRY KING'S SHOW SHE DID NOT CONDEMN THE MOVEMENT AND WAS CLOSE TO TRUMP FOR A WHILE.

ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS [INAUDIBLE] DOESN'T SIT GOOD WITH POLITICAL SCIENTISTS.

>> I LIKE THE WAY YOU DROPPED KNOWLEDGE.

>> NOW, FOR THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON THE INTRAPARTY FIGHT BETWEEN PROGRESSIVES AND MODERATE, PRESIDENT BIDEN APPROVAL RATINGS HAVE FALLEN.

THE COUNTRY IS DIVIDED OVER THE SUPREME COURT RULINGS AND JANUARY 6TH HEARINGS AND YET A LOT HAS GOTTEN DONE MUCH ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS.

MICHAEL, IS THE SYSTEM WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO?

AND DO THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TAILWIND?

THEY HAVE A LITTLE TAILWIND.

THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE SHOW ON THE ROAD AND RETURN TO OLD-FASHIONED POLITICS.

GET BOOTS ON THE GROUND, GO TO COUNTY FAIRS AND 4H SHOWS AND LEADERS THEY NEED TO TIP TOE BACK INTO RURAL AMERICA.

THEY NEED TO GO TO PLACES WHERE THEY DON'T THINK THEY ARE INVITED.

FOR EXAMPLE, TIM RYAN IN OHIO.

HE IS TALKING ABOUT JOBS, INCOME, HOUSING, HEALTHCARE, AND THE DISPARITIES IN HEALTH, EDUCATION AND WELFARE.

THIS IS A NEW MODEL WHAT THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO DO IS COME OUT OF WASHINGTON D.C. AND STOP RELYING ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND STOP THINKING THE CABLE NEWS MEDIA WILL DO THE JOB.

THEY NEED TO TAKE THE MESSAGE BACK TO THE PEOPLE AND TRY NOT TO ALIENATE THEIR BASE.

THIS IS THE GOAL OF THE PARTY.

>> AND WHAT ABOUT CONGRESS NOW?

CONGRESS IS ACTUALLY BEEN DOING OK?

>> A SHOUT-OUT TO CHUCK SCHUMER AND NANCY PELOSI AND JOE BIDEN FOR GOOD LEADERSHIP.

THEY GOT STUFF DONE.

BUT IT SHOWS THE DEMOCRATS LIKE TO DO STUFF.

AND THEY ARE A BIG TENT PARTY THAT IS USED TO COMPROMISE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT FACTIONS COMPETING WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

I WISH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS DOING THE SAME THING BUT THERE ARE MANY ANTI-DEMOCRATIC FORCES WHICH INCLUDE THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, THE SUPREME COURT AND SENATE AND GERRYMANDERING PREVENTING MORE.

>> THE RESULTS WE'VE SEEN AN ARGUMENT FOR THE FILIBUSTER WE'VE BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT GET RID OF THE FILIBUSTER.

>> LET ME GO BACK AND GIVEN THE FACT YOU HAVE A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT AND DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED TWO HOUSES, I'M NOT SURE THEY GOT A LOT DONE.

THEY GOT MORE DONE LATELY THAN THEY WERE DOING EARLIER.

AND I'M NOT SURE IT WAS QUITE AS MUCH BIPARTISANSHIP ON SOME OF THESE.

IT WAS THROUGH RECONCILIATION AND OTHERS THEY WERE ONLY ABLE TO GET JUST THE MINIMUM 10 SENATORS TO KEEP FROM A FILIBUSTER.

SO ON THE ONE HAND, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY'VE DONE AS GOOD A JOB AS I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT.

AND SECOND WHEN IT COMES TO THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS I THINK THE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO MATTER ARE INFLATION, ABORTION, AND TRUMP.

MANY OF THE THINGS WHILE I AGREE AND I THINK THEY WERE WORTHY TO BE PASSED I'M NOT SURE THEY ARE GOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ENOUGH.

>> AGAIN, MICHAEL ON THE RIGHT PATH HAS TO FIND OUT WHAT TOPICS ARE GOING TO GET PEOPLE TO VOTE DEMOCRAT.

>> LET ME SAY THIS.

SPEAKING ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF TIM RYAN IN OHIO THE GREATEST THREAT TO TIM RYAN IS GUESS WHO?

IT WILL BE THE PROGRESSIVE THAT CALL HIM A DINO.

THE INFIGHTING AMONGST THE DEMOCRATS IS NOT DONE YET IF THE MODEL TAKES HOLD.

>> THERE'S A LOT TO SHOW FOR IN THIS CONVERSATION.

THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN.

1.9 TRILLION.

INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT JOB ACT.

AND SUPPORT TO UKRAINE AND THEN THE INFLATION REDUCTION FUND.

SOMEWHATS NOT BIPARTISAN BUT IF YOU GO TO THE BIPARTISAN PART DEMOCRATS DID A LOT.

THE LYNCHING AS A FEDERAL HATE CRIME.

JUNETEENTH AS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY.

SANCTIONS AGAINST CHINA.

THE BURN PIT LEGISLATION.

>> THE GUN LAW.

>> AND THESE WERE ALL BIPARTISAN LAWS.

I THINK THIS CONGRESS WAS QUITE PRODUCTIVE IN THAT SENSE NOT JUST THEIR OWN FLAGSHIP LEGISLATION BUT ALSO BIPARTISAN LEGISLATION.

BUT I DO AGREE.

I THINK THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD PIVOT TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL THINGS THAT HURT AMERICAN PEOPLE ESPECIALLY THE WORKING CLASS.

WHAT I AND MANY SCHOLARS COMMENTED ON THIS AT THE PARTY OF LABOR HAS ABANDONED LABOR AND THAT WILL NOT BODE WELL FOR DEMOCRATS IF THEY ABANDON LABOR.

>> ASIDE FROM THE HORSERACE ASPECT OF THIS, WHAT ABOUT JUST THIS NOTION OF CONGRESS WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO?

AM I TOO POLY ANISH ABOUT THIS?

>> THEY CARVED AND TOOK AWAY AND CARVED AND TOOK AWAY AND CARVED AND TOOK AWAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR THAT.

>> I THINK THEY GOT A LOT DONE AND COMPARED TO REPUBLICANS UNDER FOUR YEARS WHERE THEY GOT A TAX CUT.

AND THERE IS BIPARTISAN.

THE NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT PASSED AGAIN.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT WORK BUT OUR SYSTEM IS NOT DESIGNED TO WORK EASILY.

IT NEVER HAS BEEN AND WHY WE DON'T HAVE A PARLIAMENTLY DEMOCRACY.

SO THE THINGS THE FACT WE GOT DONE AS MUCH AS WE DID GET DONE SEEMS TO ME THAT WE SHOULD PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK.

>> IS IT GOING TO LEAD TO WHAT THE MAJOR GOALS ARE TO TRY TO HOLD THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE?

THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SOME OTHER RACES SUCH AS ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SECRETARY OF STATE BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT CONTROL WHETHER ELECTIONS ARE ACCEPTED OR NOT.

WHILE I'M GLAD THAT THEY GOT THOSE THINGS DONE MANY I DON'T THINK ARE GOING TO BRING ABOUT MORE MODERATE REPUBLICANS TO VOTE DEMOCRAT.

>> THE MEDICARE NEGOTIATION ASPECT I THINK THAT HAS A GOOD LEGS FOR THE NEW LEGISLATION WOULD ALLOW GOVERNMENT FOR THE FIRST TIME TO NEGOTIATE AND REDUCE PRICES THIS WILL BE FELT BY MANY COMMON AMERICANS AROUND THE UNITED STATES.

I THINK DEMOCRATS HAVE SOMETHING POSITIVE GOING ON.

BUT THEY ARE IN FACING THIS KIND OF DILL LOSE TRUMP PARTY.

SO -- >> MANY OF THOSE THINGS DON'T TAKE EFFECT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS OR A YEAR OR MORE.

>> LIKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL.

YEARS TO DO THAT.

>> MAYBE WE WILL SEE A RED TIDAL WAVE, MAYBE A RIPPLE IN THE FALL AND THAT IS SOMETHING COMPARED TO WHAT IT IS IN A MIDTERM ELECTION.

>> IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE THE TALIBAN TAKEOVER OF AFGHANISTAN.

THE COUNTRY IS IN ECONOMIC CRISIS THE PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY AND POVERTY.

SANCTIONS IMPOSED BY THE U.S. AND THE WEST FROZE $9 BILLION OF AFGHAN FOREIGN RESERVES THAT MONEY COULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS EASING THE CRISIS BUT THE ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT WANT TO RELEASE IT BECAUSE THE TALIBAN'S TREATMENT OF WOMEN AND GIRLS AND IT APPOINTED A TERRORIST TO THE CENTRAL BANK.

PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING AND IT'S LIKELY TO GET WORSE.

SHOULD THE U.S. MOVE TO RELEASE THAT MONEY?

>> I THINK ABSOLUTELY SO.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER.

I'M HEARING THE NUMBER OF 7 BILLION INTED OF 9 BILLION.

WE'LL GO WITH 7 BILLION.

2.5 OF THAT, IS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE AFGHAN PEOPLE FOR THEIR BENEFIT.

AND THE REST 3.5 BILLION IS SUPPOSED TO BE TO THE 9/11 FAMILIES.

I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LUD COUNTRIES A BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES HAS 20 YEARS TO SETUP A CENTRAL BANK.

AND THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE CENTRAL BANK OF AFGHANISTAN, PROFESSOR OF ECONOMICS IS REGULARLY SAYING LET'S START WITH 150 MILLION.

WHICH CAN BE CONTROLLED WHICH CAN BE SHOWN TO WHERE THEY ARE GOING AND AUDITED BY A FIRM, BUT YOU KNOW THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION OK WHAT IF IT GOES TO THE REGIME THAT OPPRESSES WOMEN?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

YOU GIVE FIST DUMPS TO THE BUTCHER PRINCE AND YOU ARE EXPLAIN COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS?

HOW IS IT MORAL TO PUNISH 38 MILLION PEOPLE WOMEN AND CHILDREN, RIGHT, FOR PUNISHING LIKE I DON'T KNOW A THOUSAND, FIVE THOUSAND TOXIC MEN.

THAT DOES NOT STICK WELL WITHIN MY CONSCIOUS AS AN AMERICAN TO LEAVE IN THE WORLD.

I THINK IT'S LUDICROUS AND HYPOCRITICAL.

AND THANK GOD THERE ARE CITIZENS IN AMERICA FOR EXAMPLE, AFGHANISTAN AND THEIR 9/11 FAMILIES FOR PEACEFUL TOMORROWS.

WHERE PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR CLOSE AND WROTE A LETTER SAYING NOT A SINGLE PENNY SHOULD GO TO THE 9/11 FAMILIES SHOULD GO TO THE PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN.

>> RICK?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK FIRST OF ALL, THE $9 BILLION IS THE AMOUNT THAT HAS BEEN FROZEN.

7 BILLION IS IN THE U.S. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE NUMBERS.

I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE WANT TO INSURE THAT THE MONEY DOES GO AND HELP THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE AT NEED.

AND THE NINE GOVERNMENTAL OFFICIALS ORGANIZATIONS HAVE SAID THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE NECESSARY SAFEGUARDS THERE BUT THEY HAVE NOT SPELLED OUT WHAT THOSE ARE.

BUT I DO AGREE THAT THE SITUATION SINCE WE FROZE THE MONEY HAS GOTTEN SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE.

VAST MAJORITY OF AFGHANS NOT ENOUGH TO EAT.

I THINK WE HAVE TO START FREEING UP THE MONEY EVEN KNOWING SOME MIGHT BE DIVERTED TO THE TALIBAN.

>> BUT TO DO IT FOR THE -- >> WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW WE RELEASE THIS.

WE HAVE VERY FEW TOOLS AND TRUMP MADE A TERRIBLE DEAL WHEN WE TO GET US OUT OF THERE AND BIDEN EXECUTED IT WORSE.

WE HAVE TERRIBLE THINGS.

IF WE RELEASE THIS MONEY WE KNOW THEY ARE HARBORING TERRORIST WE KILLED THE LEAD AL-QAEDA TERRORIST THERE.

WE KNOW THEY ARE TREATING WOMEN NOT LIVING UP TO THE AGREEMENTS THEY SAID THEY WOULD ABOUT TEACHING GIRLS IN SCHOOLS.

IF WE RELEASE IT ALL AT ONCE IT HELPS THE TALIBAN.

WE COULD DO WHAT WE'VE DONE.

WE'VE RELEASED $1 BILLION AND WE CAN GO DO IT IN STAGES.

DOING IN IN STAGES AND CAREFULLY.

>> MICHAEL?

>> I THINK AS WE KNOW, FREEZING AFGHANISTAN'S ASSETS WAS THE IDEA TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE TALIBAN TO FORM AN INCLUSIVE GOVERNMENT.

IN ADDITION TO TREATING WOMEN HORRIBLY THEY ARE IN BED WITH CHINA AND IRAN AND RUSSIA AND TERRORISM.

ONE THING PAKISTAN FOR MORE MONEY.

WHY THEY DON'T LIQUIDATE REAL ESTATE?

THIS IS A BUST.

>> YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD NOT BE RELEASING THE THAT MONEY.

>> UNLESS WE HAVE OVERSIGHT.

>> YOU ARE SAYING WE SHOULD RELEASE IT CAREFULLY.

>> I'M SAYING THERE IS ALREADY A MECHANISM IN PLACE.

THE UNITED STATES PUT FORWARD THAT MECHANISM.

THE BUILDUP THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT OF AFGHANISTAN.

THEY HAVE THE MECHANISMS.

I ONLY SEE THIS AS A KIND OF REVENGE.

AFGHANISTAN PEOPLE THEY ARE BOILING GRASS AND SELLING THEIR KIDNEYS.

I WAS TALKING TO AN AFGHANISTAN PERSON HERE AND TALKED TO PEOPLE AROUND SYRACUSE AND THEY ASKED ME IF WE LOOK LIKE UKRAINE CHILDREN, WOULD THE BIDEN GOVERNMENT DO THAT?

>> THERE IS AN ASPECT THIS IS UNCONSCIONABLE WHEN PEOPLE ARE SELLING THEIR KIDNEYS.

>> STRONG ARGUMENTS CAN BE MADE FOR HOLDING ON TO THIS BUT I AGREE THE CONSEQUENCES HAVE BECOME SO DIRE THAT WE HAVE TO GO AND FREE SOME OF THIS MONEY UP AND IT'S NOT JUST DRIBS AND DRABS WE HAVE TO GET THE AFGHAN ECONOMY GOING TO KEEP MASSIVE STARVATION FROM OCCURRING.

>> HOW DO WE GET THE AFGHAN ECONOMY GOING AGAIN?

>> FREEING UP THE LEVEL OF CORRUPTION AND WE KNOW THE MONEY WILL GO INTO THE TALIBAN'S POCKET AS IT DID WHEN WE GAVE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS THERE EARLIER.

THIS IS NOT AN EASY SOLUTION.

IT IS A COMPLEX PROBLEM WITH COMPLEX SOLUTIONS.

>> WE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE THINGS 12 MONTHS AGO.

>> AND THAT GETS BACK TO THE POINT OF THE HORRIBLE PULL OUT AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT'S ROLE IN THAT.

NOW, TIME FOR THE A'S AND F'S OR TIE THE F'S AND A'S.

YOU GO FIRST.

>> MY F GOES TO THE DESPICABLE POLITICIANS THAT ARE ASKING US PEOPLE TO INSIGHT VIOLENCE AGAINST THE F.B.I.

AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

50 YEARS AGO THE F.B.I.

HAD LOTS OF PROBLEMS BUT IT IS A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT ALONG WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THAT PROTECTS AMERICANS AND THOSE POLITICIANS THAT ARE INCITING VIOLENCE NEED TO STOP IT.

SO THERE IS NOT MORE VIOLENCE AGAINST CIVIL SERVANTS THAT PROTECT AMERICANS.

>> MY F GOES TO A KIDS FORECAST SCHEME BY TWO FORMER PENNSYLVANIA JUDGES.

MICHAEL COMMON RAN FROM LEFT AND MICHAEL MARK WHO SENT CHILDREN FOR-PROFIT JAILS IN EXCHANGE FOR KICKBACKS.

THE U.S. DISTRICT JUDGE CONNER AWARDED $106 MILLION IN DAMAGE AND 100 MILLION WORTH OF PUNITIVE DAMAGE.

SHAMEFUL.

>> F GOES TO TRADER JOE'S IN MANHATTAN WHO ARE CLOSING THEIR STORES AFTER THE SENSE THAT PEOPLE WILL UNIONIZE.

THIS IS A TROUBLING TREND.

>> RICK?

>> MY F GOES TO FERNANDO, SUPERSTAR SHORTSTOP FOR THE SAN DIEGO PADRES THE MOST EXCITING PLAYER TO WATCH IN BASEBALL AND ONE THAT BASEBALL IS COUNTING ON TO DRAW YOUNG FANS BACK TO THE GAME.

HE CONTINUES TO MAKE BAD PERSONAL CHOICES HE WAS SUSPENDED 80 GAMES FOR A USE OF A BANNED STEROID.

>> WE'RE ABOUT READY TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL MY SHOUT-OUT GOES TO K-12 TEACHERS ABOUT TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND TALK ABOUT A TOUGH JOB.

GOSH.

SIX PREPS A DAY, DOING TEACHERS CONFERENCE AND SO MANY THINGS AND IN FLORIDA THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHICH BOOKS THEY CAN HAVE IN THEIR CLASSROOM.

WHY DON'T WE PAY TEACHERS MORE AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.

THEY ARE GOOD AT IT.

>> MY A GOES TO THE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY POLICY OF SUNY CORTLAND AS THEY ARE USING PIGS TO CLEAN UP GRASS AND WEEDS AROUND THE SOLAR PANELS.

THE PIGS ARRIVED FROM NZ NEW ZEALAND THIS IS LAWN MOWING MADE EASY.

>> A GOOD SEGUE?

>> MY A GOES TO SUNY CORTLAND BECAUSE THEY UNVEILED A MURAL CREATED BY STUDENTS, THAT REFLECTS THE NATIONAL STRUGGLE AGAINST HUMAN INJUSTICE.

KUDOS TO LORI LOPEZ AND HER CREW AND THE $25 MILLION MOFFETT CENTER AND FUNDED BY TIM BENNETT AND APPROVED BY THE PRESIDENT.

>> AND RICK, YOUR A?

>> MY A GOES TO MARK WALKER JUDGE IN TALLAHASSEE WHO RULED YESTERDAY THAT FLORIDA STOP WOKE ACT THAT LIMITS RACE BASED DISCUSSIONS IN BUSINESS AND EDUCATION, VIOLATES THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

THE LAW SUPPORTED BYRON DE SANTIS WOULD PREVENT COMPANIES FROM TRYING TO ADDRESS ISSUES SUCH AS SYSTEMIC RACISM AND PROMOTE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND PROGRAMS.

THE JUDGE DENIED THE STATE'S REQUEST TO KEEP THE LAW IN EFFECT WHILE THEY APPEALED.

>> I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR F. THE TWO JUDGES WHO WERE SENDING KIDS TO A FOR-PROFIT JAILS.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE JUDGES?

WERE THEY -- DID THEY END UP GOING TO A FOR-PROFIT OR OTHER?

>> THERE WAS A CIVIL LAWSUIT THAT WAS SETTLED.

$100 MILLION IN PUNITIVE DAMAGE AND 106 MILLION IN DAMAGES BUT I THINK THEY AVOIDED JAIL.

>> NONE OF THE ADULTS -- >> NONE OF THE ADULT VICTIMS WILL NOT GET THAT MONEY.

>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT BUT THEY DID IT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

>> IT WAS A CIVIL LAWSUIT.

NO CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

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