♪ ♪ TENSIONS BETWEEN A JUDGE AND THE PRESIDENT CONTINUE TO BUILD.

MEANWHILE, DEMOCRATS STRUGGLE FOR A VISION AND A STRATEGY.

AND DOES AN UPSTATE TOWN HAVE A BAD CASE OF NIMBY-ITIS IN THE MIDDLE OF A HOUSING CRISIS.

WE'LL OFFER INSIGHTS FROM THE IVORY TOWER COMING UP NEXT.

GOOD EVENING AND, WELCOME TO ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ IVORY TOWER.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

I'M NINA MOORE OF COLGATE UNIVERSITY.

HE PROFESSORS JOINING ME AROUND THE TABLE TONIGHT ARE: LISA DOLAK OF SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY RICK FENNER OF UTICA UNIVERSITY ANIRBAN ACHARYA OF LEMOYNE COLLEGE AND • JENNY STROMER-GALLEY OF SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY TENSIONS ARE MOUNTING BETWEEN A FEDERAL JUDGE AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

THE JUDGE IS CONCERNED THAT I.C.E.

OFFICIALS VIOLATED AN ORDER TO NOT DEPORT IMMIGRANTS TO EL SALVADOR.

THE ADMINISTRATION ARGUES THE ORDER CAME TOO LATE.

AND, NOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES.

HAS DELCARED THE JUDGE HAS "NO RIGHT" TO BE "MEDDLING IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS".

AT THE CENTER OF IT ALL IS A GANG AND A 19TH CENTURY LAW.

THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK HERE.

LISA, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE AT ISSUE HERE?

ONE ISSUE IS THE SALIENCE OF THE ENEMY'S ACT FROM THE 18th CENTURY, NOT FREQUENTLY LITIGATED BECAUSE IT HAS NOT BEEN FREQUENTLY INVOKED AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THIS PRESENCE, THIS ALLEGED PRESENCE OF THIS VENEZUELAN GANG IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTES PERPETRATING ATTEMPTING OR THREATENING AN INVASION AND THAT WOULD SEEM NOT TO BE THE CASE BUT SINCE THIS HAS BEEN SO LITTLE LITIGATED, IT IS PUSHING THE ENVELOPE, ROOTING AROUND IN THE BASEMENT FOR A LEGAL BASIS THEY CAN USE.

IT NEEDS TO BE LITIGATED AND ONE THING NOTABLE ABOUT IT IS THAT THE LAST TIME THE SUPREME COURT CONSIDERED ISSUE WAS IN 1948 AND AT THAT POINT, IT DECLARED THAT SOME ASPECTS OF THE MATTER WERE NOT SUBJECT TO JUDICIAL REVIEW BECAUSE OF THE EXTRAORDINARY DEFERENCE THAT HAS BEEN TRADITIONALLY GIVEN TO THE PRESIDENT IN MATTERS OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND FOREIGN RELATIONS AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST ARGUMENT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS AND YOU HAVE SEEN THEM, YOU KNOW, THROW REFERENCES AROUND, THE NATIONAL SECURITY AND MAYBE EVEN STATES SECRETS.

THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

THE UPROAR OVER THE SO CALLED SINGLE JUDGE ISSUING A NATIONWIDE INJUNCTION AND THERE IS A LOT TO SAY THERE.

NATIONWIDE INJUNCTIONS ARE PROBLEMATIC OR THEY'RE INCREASINGLY COMMON, BUT THAT'S PARTLY CONGRESS' FAULT BECAUSE AS CONGRESS HAS REFUSED TO ACT, THE EXECUTIVE HAS, OVER THE LAST OR FOUR ADMINISTRATIONS, INCREASINGLY RELIED ON SWEEPING EXECUTIVE ORDERS MUCH AND SO THAT HAS PROVOKINGED THIS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LITIGATION, STRATEGIC LITIGATION.

AND THEN A THIRD ISSUE IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE DEFIANCE THAT WE ARE TALKING A LOT ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHETHER THE ADMINISTRATION IS DEFYING THE JUDGE'S ORDERS, OTHER JUDGES' ORDERS AND WHAT WILL COME OF THAT.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS JUDGE, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS YET TO DECLARE THAT.

HE CONTINUES TO HOLD HEARINGS.

HE IS DOING WHAT IS TYPICALLY DONE IN THESE SITUATIONS, WHICH IS TO CONTINUE TO SORT OF NOT NEGOTIATE WITH THE PARTIES BUT TO HEAR FROM THEM.

SOMETIMES THEY MODIFY THEIR ORDERS AND THAT WHAT IS IS GOING ON HERE.

WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT ONCE A JUDGE DECLARES THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS DEFYING THEM.

>> HE SEEMS TO BE LOSING HIS PATIENCE BECAUSE HE KEEPS ASKING AND SAYS THEY'RE GIVING, YOU KNOW, WANTS VERY SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY LEFT OUR AIR SPACE AND ALL.

I THINK THAT LAST ISSUE, FOR ME, ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE DEFIED THE COURT ORDER IS IMPORTANT FROM A BROADER PERSPECTIVE.

AND I WAS AT LEAST HEARTENED, IF I WANT TO USE THOSE TERMS, TO HEAR TRUMP SAY THAT THEY DID NOT DEFY AND THEN WHEN LAURA INGRAM ASKED HIM WOULD THEY IN THE FUTURE DEFY COURT ORDERS, HE SAID NO.

AND THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HE WAS SAYING JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO; THAT ON TO MARINADE SOMETHING, IF I'M DEFENDING THE COUNTRY, THEN I CAN'T BE BREAKING A LAW.

HERE AT LEAST HE WAS SAYING OKAY, THERE IS A SEPARATION BETWEEN, YOU KNOW,JUDICIAL AND THE EXECUTIVE, WHICH I HADN'T HEARD BEFORE, WHETHER HE IS GOING STICK TO THAT, WE WILL SEE.

>> IF I COULD FOLLOW THAT, AS YOU ARE THE ATTORNEY AND LAW PROFESSOR IN THE GROUP, WHAT RICK IS HINTING AT IS THAT THE ARGUMENT THAT IS GOING TO COME FROM THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT IS BEING TESTED OUT THERE NOW IS THAT THIS DOES, IN FACT, FALL SQUARELY WITHIN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCHES POWER OVER NATIONAL SECURITY AND SO DO YOU SEE THIS AS THE SORT OF NON-JUDICIAL ISSUE THAT THAT COULD, IN FACT ALLOW THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO DEPORT PEOPLE FROM THE UNITED STATES BASED ON A CLAIM OF IT BEING EITHER AN INVASION OR CERTAIN FOLKS BEING FOREIGN TERRORISTS?

IS THIS OPENING UP THE DOOR FOR THAT?

>> I MEAN WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SAYS AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE FOR THE CASE TO GET UP THERE.

THE CASE IS ALREADY SITTING IN SOME MANNER OF APPEAL AT THE D.C.

CIRCUIT, THE INTERMEDIATE CIRCUIT COURT.

IT'S A FAIR LEGAL ARGUMENT TO MAKE UNTIL-- BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS A FAIR LEGAL ARGUMENT UNLESS IT'S COMPLETELY FRIVOLOUS UNTIL IT HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN.

SO POSSIBLY.

>> LISA.

>> SO MY CONCERN IS THE FRAMING HERE AROUND BASICALLY SAYING THAT IMMIGRANTS ARE TERRORISTS, RIGHT?

SO EVEN THOUGH IT WILL HAVE TO PLAY OUT LEGALLY THROUGH THE JUDICIARY AND IN THIS TUSSLE BETWEEN THE TWO BRANCHES, IN THE MEANTIME, THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION IS BEING SHAPED.

AND WE KNOW, FOLLOWING 9/11, RIGHT, THAT THE PUBLIC RALLIES AROUND THE PRESIDENT WHEN THERE ARE THESE MESSAGES BEING PRODUCED BY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT SAYS THAT THE NATION IS UNDER THREAT.

AND SO WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS MOVE IS THAT IT ALLOWS OR ENABLES TRUMP AND HIS ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE THESE EXTRAORDINARY GRABS ON POWER AROUND AND SORT OF TARGETING A SET OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY VERY VUNERABLE IN THE UNITED STATES AND NOT JUST ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS BUT LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

>> I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION IS BRINGING A TREND IN AMERICAN POLITICS RELEGATING MORE POWER TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND IT HAS TAKEN OVER TIME AND TAKING IT TO THE LOGICAL EXTREEP.

SAYING NO, WE ARE NOT A CO-EQUAL BRANCH ANYMORE, WE ARE ABOVE IN CERTAIN CASES.

WE DON'T HAVE TO OBEY COURT ORDERS.

WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS BUT TO MY EUROPEAN COLLEAGUES, THIS IS-- THEY HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE IN THEIR BACKYARD.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BULGARIAN MODEL.

IT WAS CREATING A COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION AGAINST THE JUDGES, ACADEMIA AND SYSTEMATICALLY GO AFTER THAT SO YOU MAKE THE OPPOSITION COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AND THAT MIGHT BE A MORE POLITICAL TREND BUT CONGRESS HAD RELEGATED SO MUCH POWER TO-- I STILL REMEMBER THE WHERE THE PRESIDENT CAN GO OUT AND WAGE WARS ACROSS THE WORLD.

THIS IS THE LOGICAL EXTREME WHERE THE TRUMP IS TAKING THAT TO.

>> AND ABSOLUTELY WE HAVE SEEN CONTESTS BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS OVER THE YEARS, BUT THIS SORT OF INTERBRANCH CONFLICT BETWEEN THE JUDICIARY AND THE PRESIDENT IN SUCH A VERY TERSE IS VERY UNUSUAL.

WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT TOPIC.

AS REPUBLICANS MOVE FULL STEAM AHEAD WITH A CONSERVATIVE POLICY AGENDA, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS STRUGGLING TO KEEP UP TO DEVELOP AN AGENDA AND COUNTER-OFFENSIVE OF ITS OWN.

THE PARTY'S APPROVAL RATINGS ARE AT A RECORD LOW 29%.

AND WHILE REPUBLICAN RATINGS AREN'T MUCH BETTER, WELL, THEY ARE THE PARTY IN POWER.

WHAT MUST DEMOCRATS DO TO GET THINGS BACK ON TRACK?

ANIRBAN?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND YOU KNOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY IS MARTYRED LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAD BEEN IN THE POLLS, YOU DO AN AUTOPSY AND THE AUTOPSY SHOWS THAT THE WORKING CLASS VOTERS HAVE BEEN ABANDONING THE PARTY IN RECORD NUMBERS, RIGHT?

SO YOU ARE A PARTY OF LABOR BUT YOU ARE BEHOLDEN TO BILLIONAIRES JUST AS MUCH AS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY YOU CRITIQUE.

PEOPLE SEE THROUGH THAT OFTEN.

SECOND, WHAT IS VERY, VERY INTERESTING TO SEE AMONG WHITE VOTERS, THE SWING WAS ALMOST NOTHING BETWEEN 2016 AND 2024.

WHITE VOTERS VOTED AS THEY DID.

THE PROBLEM STARTS FOR THE DEMOCRATS IS THAT AMONG BLACK HISPANIC AND ASIAN VOTERS, THESE ARE REMARKABLE EROSION AMONG MODERATE HISPANIC VOTERS, THERE IS A 23% EROSION.

AMONG CONSERVATIVE BLACK VOTERS, THERE WAS ABOUT AN 8% DROP AND AMONG ASIANS 11% DROP AMONG MODERATES.

TO ADD TO THAT, IMMIGRANTS, ACTUALIZED CITIZENS HAVE A PLUS 27 DURING BIDEN AND PLUS 1 FOR TRUMP.

THESE TRENDS, ALONG WITH THE VERY INTERESTING TREND THAT IS THE FIRST TIME WE SAW THAT OLDER VOTERS VOTED MORE FOR HARRIS AND YOUNGER VOTERS, 20 TO 25, ESPECIALLY MEN, BY HUGE-- 20% MARGINS VOTING FOR TRUMP AND THIS IS ALSO A BROADER GLOBAL TREND, RIGHT, THAT MESH IS SEEING.

SO-- THAT AMERICA IS SEEING.

SO IF YOU CAN MAKE THE TWO TRENDS DIFFERENT.

ONE IS THE DOMESTIC TREND UNIQUE TO THE U.S. AND THE OTHER IS A BROADER GLOBAL TREND THE UFT THE U.S. IS CAUGHT UP.

SO TOENCE YOUR QUESTION, STOP THE REGRESSIVE ASPECTS OF IDENTITY POLITICS I WOULD SAY AND FOCUS ON CLASS BECAUSE IT IS CLEAR THAT VOTERS TRUST THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ON QUESTIONS ON BODDER SECURITY, IMMIGRATION AND SO ON.

AND THEY THINK COST OF LIVING AND INFLATION WAY MORE THAN THESE TOPICS SO REPUBLICANS HAVE THE 15% TRUST MARGIN ON THINGS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO VOTERS NOW.

>> AND TO YOUR OPENING REMARKS, I FIND IT STRIKING THAT WHEN YOU LOOK PARTICULARLY AT BLACK MALES, ONE OUT OF EVERY FIVE BLACK MALES VOTED FOR TRUMP.

HALF OF LATINO MALES VOTED FOR TRUMP.

AND YOUR POINT ABOUT THIS BEING NOT SO MUCH ABOUT IDENTITY BUT MORE SO ABOUT JUST BREAD AND BUTTER ISSUES, SEEMS TO EXPLAIN THAT, RIGHT?

>> I THINK WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT TRUMP'S POLICIES ARE GOING TO START AFFECTING TRUMP SUPPORTERS AND IN A NEGATIVE WAY.

AND SO WHETHER IT'S THE TARIFFS OR OTHER POLICIES, DISMANTLING PARTS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT AREN'T POPULAR.

SO I THINK MOVING TOWARD 2026, WHAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO DO IS THEY HAVE TO DOCUMENT WHERE THOSE POLICIES OR HOW THOSE POLICIES ARE AFFECTING THOSE MIDDLE GROUND AND THEN, AND THIS IS THE TOUGH PART, CONVINCE THEM THAT IT'S THE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE TO BLAME.

THAT'S WHY I THINK SCHUMER WAS RIGHT IN NOT SETTING THEMSELVES UP AS THE PARTY OF SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT.

I KNOW THAT WAS VERY UNPOPULAR.

BUT I THINK THEY NEAD TO ISOLATE THE IMPACT OF THE REPUBLICAN POLICIES ON REPUBLICAN VOTERS.

>> YEAH, BUT RICK, IS THAT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO SIMPLY SAY WHY YOU SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS AS OPPOSED TO-- >> IF YOU ARE A FARMER AND YOU CAN'T SELL YOUR GOODS ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE TARIFFS, I THINK IT COMES DOWN-- >> I TOTALLY GET THAT.

>> IT COMES DOWN TO WANT TO SPIN IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MESSAGE IS GOING TO BE OR HAS TO BE.

I DO KNOW THAT I WON'T BE SURPRISED IF THE DEMOCRATS SCREW IT UP EVEN IF WHAT RICK SAYS IS TRUE.

>> I THINK THERE IS A MESSENGER PROBLEM AS WELL.

AT THE MOMENT THERE ISN'T A REAL CLEAR STANDARD BEARER.

CONGRESS HAS MULTIPLE VOICES, RIGHT?

THE PRESIDENCY HAS ONE VOICE AND SO IT MAKES IT CHALLENGING FOR THE NEWS MEDIA WHEN THEY REPORT, THEY REPORT ON THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THEN PICK UP A SMATTER ARE OF DEMOCRATS AND ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND SO I THINK THAT IS THE QUESTION.

IS A.O.C.

GOING TO CHALLENGE SCHUMER?

IS SHE OR SOMEBODY ELSE GOING TO REALLY STEP UP AS THE VOICE OF THE DISAFFECTED DEMOCRATS WHO DON'T FEEL THAT SCHUMER REALLY IS ARTICULATING A MESSAGE THAT RES MATES?

HE DIDN'T ARTICULATING A MESSAGE THAT RESONATES WITH THE BASE OR OTHERS WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE DEMOCRATS IF THEY DO SELL A MESSAGE.

HE CAN'T TELL SELL THE MESSAGE ANYMORE.

>> BUT CAN AOC DO THAT?

SHE WAS AT THE TOP.

SHE HAD 10% MORE THAN ANY OTHER DEMOCRATIC LEADER AND YOU SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT.

>> IT'S FINE FOR HER AND BERNIE SANDERS TO GO OUT AND RAIL AGAINST, BUT THERE IS NO WAY-- >> SEE, THIS IS WHERE I VERY MUCH AND VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE.

THE DEMOCRATS KEEP ATTACKING THE LEFT AND THEY WANT THE LEFT VOTES.

WHAT YOU CAN CONSISTENTLY SEE THAT BERNIE SANDERS POLLS EXCELLENTLY AMONG MANY, MANY REPUBLICAN VOTERS, MANY REPUBLICAN MODERATES AND CONSERVATIVES SO THIS IS KIND OF A KNEE JERK ANTILEFT REACTION THAT I SEE ACROSS THE MEDIA AND I DON'T BUY IT.

I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE IT.

WE NEED A VERY STRONG LEFT THAT TALKS ABOUT WORKING CLASS AMERICANS THAT TALKS ABOUT PLI POCKETBOOK AND STOP THIS IDENTITY POLITICS MALARKEY.

>> BUT THAT'S WHAT A.O.C.

DOES.

>> THAT WILL GUARANTEE THAT THEY DON'T DO WELL.

>> THEY DON'T EVER DO THAT.

THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT.

>> BERNIE SANDERS' MESSAGE OF FOCUSING ON KITCHEN TABLE ISSUES WHERE A.O.C.

IS WAY OVER THERE TO THE LEFT.

>> ROGUE AN USED TO BE A BIG BERNIE SANDERS PERSON.

YOU ARE CORRECT IN THAT BUT IT'S A VERY FINE LINE AND A.O.C.

IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS.

>> AT LEAST WE AGREE ON THAT, RIGHT?

SO LISTEN.

LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IN UPSTATE NOW.

A TOWN BOARD IN ONONDAGA COUNTY VOTED 'NO' THIS WEEK ON A DEVELOPER'S REQUEST FOR SPECIAL ZONING TO BUILD 25 NEW HOMES.

THE BOARD INSTEAD APPROVED ZONING THAT WILL RESULT IN FEWER HOMES WITH A PRICE TAG THAT'S $60,000 HIGHER.

AT A TOWN BOARD MEETING, ONE RESIDENT PLEADED.

PLEASE KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THE WAY IT IS.

SO, RICK, SHOULD THE RESIDENTS OF A TOWN HAVE THE POWER TO DECIDE WHETHER TO BUILD NEW HOUSING EVEN WHEN THE COUNTY, AS A WHOLE, IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A HOUSING CRISIS?

>> WELL, FIRST TO BE FAIR TO VAN BUREN, THE CURRENT LAW IS THAT NEW HOUSES HAVE TO BE BUILT ON ONE ACRE SITES.

AND THE DEVELOPER WANTED THEM TO BE BUILT ON ONE THIRD OF AN ACRE SO HE WAS ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE.

SECOND.

THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED MONEY TO PUT UP, I BELIEVE 70 MODERATE INCOME APARTMENTS WITH THE USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS.

SO THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD.

BUT WHAT YOU DESCRIBE IS REALLY WHAT IS HAPPENED THROUGHOUT NEW YORK STATE.

WE HAVE A VERY ANTIQUATED SYSTEM OF OVERLAPPING GOVERNMENTS, YOU KNOW, TOWNS, VILLAGES, THEN YOU HAVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT OVERLAP THEM.

IN MOST OF THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, AT LEAST IN THE SOUTH, WHAT YOU HAVE ARE COUNTY WIDE GOVERNMENTS WHERE YOU ARE ABLE TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS MUCH MORE EASILY.

WE HAVE HAD ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO A MOVE TOWARD-- BRINGING TOGETHER.

CONSOLIDATION-- I'M SORRY.

AND IT FAILED BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE THEIR, YOU KNOW, LITTLE POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND ALL.

SO-- >> THEY LIKE LITTLE.

>> WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE PROBLEMS.

>> JENNY.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I PICKED UP IN THE NEWS REPORTING OF THIS IS THAT VAN BUREN HASN'T HAD THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPLETED.

SO THERE IS CURRENTLY IN UPSTATE NEW YORK A SET OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING ACTIVITIES HAPPENING ACROSS THE MUNICIPALITIES.

I'M A BIG, BIG PROPONENT OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.

ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS IT IS LOCATED IN NOT A PARTICULARLY GREAT SPOT FOR MORE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING.

THERE ARE SOME ROAD ISSUES, SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES.

SO I MEAN I THINK COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ALLOW FOR THE TOWN TO IDENTIFY WHERE ARE THE LOCATIONS IN THE VILLAGE IN THE TOWN WHERE, IN FACT, YOU COULD HAVE HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING.

THAT'S THE FIRST.

THE SECOND THING I WILL SAY IS THAT PUBLIC INPUT REALLY MATTERS.

SO I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PAST IN EFFORTS TO TRY TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE PLANS BEFORE THEY THEN MOVE TO A FINAL VOTE.

THAT REQUIRES ACTIVITY THOUGH.

IT MEANS YOU CAN'T JUST PUT UP A MEETING AND SAY COME.

IT MEANS ACTIVE SOLICITATION OF THE PUBLIC BECAUSE OTHERWISE ONLY THOSE WHO SAY NOT IN MY BACKYARD ARE THE ONES WHO SHOW UP BUT REALLY TO GET A FULL PERSPECTIVE OF PUBLIC, YOU NEED TO ENGAGE IN PUBLIC DELIBERATION.

>> THE ARTICLE YOU SENT ME IS A WONDERFUL BOOK THERE REFERENCE CALLED THE HOME VOTER HYPOTHESIS AND THE IDEA IS THAT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BOY A A POLICY TO PROTECT YOUR HOME OR YOUR CAR BUT YOU CAN'T BUY A POLICY TO PROTECT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW THE NATURE OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE THAT'S WHY NIMBYISM COMES IN AS PART OF AN INSURANCE POLICY AS COLLECTIVE ACTION AMONG ACTIVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED THERE A LONG TIME TO MAKE SURE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALWAYS IN THEIR OWN IMAGE: I DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT.

NEIGHBORHOODS CHANGE, THE ONLY THING CONSTANT IS CHANGE.

SO ON THE WHOLE, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF A COMPROMISE SITUATION HERE BECAUSE WE DO NEED HOUSING AND I WAS READING THE COMMENTS OF WCNY CENTRAL, EVERYBODY THINKS WHOEVER IS GETTING THE HOUSING IS GETTING IT FOR FREE AND THEY'RE FREE LOADERS AND POOR BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE.

THE HOUSES ARE ABOUT $400,000.

>> MARKET PRICE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

I AGREE.

ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT THE SQUEAKY WHEELS GET THE GREASE.

THE PEOPLE OPPOSED WHO SHOW UP.

YOU KNOW, BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, NEIGHBORHOODS CHANGE AND I GUESS A COUPLE THINGS I WOULD SAY, THESE PEOPLE BOUGHT HOMES NEAR UNDEVELOPED PLAN LAND.

WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU ASSUME A CERTAIN LEVEL OF RISK.

IT'S TOTALLY CLEAR TO YOU THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD CHANGE.

I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE ISSUES ABOUT ROADS AND DRAINAGE AND MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT PARCEL BUT THIS NOTION THAT A THIRD OF AN ACRE LOT ISN'T LARGE ENOUGH, I JUST CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH THAT.

THE LAND THAT THESE PEOPLE LIVE ON CURRENTLY THE EXISTING HOMES IS ALREADY ZONED THE WAY THAT THE DEVELOPER WANTED THE LAND TO BE ZONED.

SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EVEN APPLY TO THEM.

AND SO I JUST THINK-- AND THIS HAD NOTHING DO WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AS YOU SAID.

THESE WERE EXPENSIVE HOMES.

I'M NOT SYMPATHETIC.

I'M 100% IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

LIKE SO MANY ISSUES IN NEW YORK, THE PROBLEM IS ALL OF THE VARIOUS LAYERS OF GOVERNMENT, WHICH JUST RAISES THE COST OF GETTING ANYTHING DONE IN THIS STATE.

>> I AGREE.

>> YEAH, AND IT'S THOSE REGULATIONS AND THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT BECOME THE MECHANISM THROUGH WHICH LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS CAN ESSENTIALLY BLOCK NEW DEVELOPMENT.

>> I THINK THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING FUNDING OR WHATEVER, THEY NEED TO EXERCISE THEIR POWER IN THIS REGARD.

>> AS ACH AS I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WE HAVE A HARD STOP.

WE ARE GOING TO STOP WITH-- WE ARE GOING START WITH OUR F IS.

>> MY F GOES TO THIS GUY WHO CALLS HIMSELF CAPTAIN BOOEDY HEAD.

ROBERTER LICK.

DECLARED HIMSELF THE MAYOR OF THE LONG ISLAND VILLAGE OF SEA CLIFF.

AND WHEN THAT DIDN'T WORK, THE POLICE WERE CALLED.

HE LAUNCHED A WRITE IN CAMPAIGN FOR THE MARCH 18 ELECTION, LOST THE ELECTION, CALLED IT RIGGED.

COMPARED HIMSELF TO ANN FRANK.

ALLEGED VOTER SUPPRESSION, CLAIMED TO HAVE THEN ESTABLISHED A NEW VILLAGE, DECLARED HIMSELF MAYOR OF THAT AND SAID HE WILL BE ISSUING EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO IMPLEMENT HIS POLICIES.

WONDER WHERE HE GOT HIS INSPIRATION.

>> RICK.

>> MY F GOES TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION FOR TELLING NEW YORK CITY TO END CONJETIONZ PRICING OR LOSE HIGHWAY FUNDS.

THIS IS THE SAME ADMINISTRATION DISMANTLING THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION BECAUSE IT BELIEVES ALL EDUCATION DECISIONS SHOULD BE MADE LOCALLY BUT NOW IT THINKS THAT IT IS THE ONE TO MAKE NEW YORK STATE DECIDE HOW TO DEAL WITH ITS TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

I'M CONFUSED.

>> ARE YOU REALLY THOUGH?

ANIRBAN.

>> MY F GOES TO THE RENEWED ISRAELI BOMBARDMENT IN GAZA THAT KILLED ABOUT 400 PEOPLE, INCLUDING MORE THAN 100 CHILDREN ALONG WITH PREGNANT MOTHERS, BASED ON MULTIPLE NEWS REPORT, THIS COMES IN THE HEEL OF THE U.S. SPECIAL COMMENTARY REPORT THAT FINDS ISRAEL'S WARFARE METHODS IN GAZA CONSISTENT WITH GENOCIDE USING STARVATION AS A WEAPON FOR WAR.

>> JENNY.

MY F GOES TO GOVERNOR HOCHUL'S LAST MINUTE PUSH TO INCLUDE LEGISLATION BANNING FACE COVERINGS IN PUBLIC.

HER PROPOSAL WOULD EXTEND FROM BANK ROBBERS TO PEACEFUL PROTESTS BUT IN THE AGE OF ADVANCED FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE, BEING USED TO IDENTIFY AND DETAIN PALESTINIAN PROTESTORS, MASKS THWART THE SWEEPING HAND OF AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT.

IF PEOPLE CAN BE ANONYMOUS ONLINE, WHY SHOULD THEY NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE ANONYMOUS IN PERSON.

THIS WILL CURB CIVIL LIBERTIES AND FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, TWO VALUES I THOUGHT WE HELD DEAR IN THIS COUNTRY.

>> AND YOUR SENSE THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT EVEN THOUGH THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE INTENT.

WE WILL OFFER YOU GOOD NEWS BEFORE WE LEAVE SO I WILLSA.

>> MY A GOES TO 15-YEAR-OLD NEW ZEALAND ATHLETE SAM WHO BECAME THE YOUNGEST PERSON EVER TO RUN A FOUR MINUTE MILE.

>> MY A GOES TO THE UTICA UNIVERSITY IN HAMILTON COLLEGE MEN'S HOCKEY TEAMS MAKING IT TO THE QUARTER FINALS OF THE NCAA DIVISION 3 NATIONAL TOURNAMENT AND PLAY TOMORROW.

A WIN WOULD SEND THEM TO THE FROZEN FOUR AND IF THEY BOTH WIN, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY PLAY EACH OTHER IN THE NATIONAL SEMIFINALS.

CONGRATS AND GOOD LUCK TO BOTH OF THEM.

>> IS THIS GOING TO BE A FIRST?

>> FIRST TIME FOR HAMILTON.

UTICA HAS GONE BEFORE.

>> MY A GOES TO NEW YORK STATE INITIATIVE OF MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR HEDGE FUNDS TO PURCHASE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

GOVERNOR IS PROPOSING A 75-DAY WAITING PERIOD AND THE DEMOCRATIC STATE SENATOR LIZ KRUEGER'S END HEDGE FUND WOULD TAX PRIVATE EQUITIES AT A VERY HIGH RATE AND REFUSE THE RATE IF THEY REDUCE THE STOCK OF HOUSES.

>> I DON'T WANT TO CHALLENGE YOU BUT BEE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

I WANT TO ASK.

WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS, COULD THERE BE MORE REGULATIONS?

WE ARE GOING TO GO TO JENNY.

>> OKAY, SO IN THE SPIRIT OF THE FIRST DAY OF SPRING, MY A GOES TO THE RESEARCH TEAM AT SUNY ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE AND FORESTRY FOR THEIR DEDICATED RESEARCH TO DEVELOP A DISEASE RESISTANT AMERICAN CHESTNUT TREE.

SOME OF YOU LIKELY REMEMBER THE MAGNIFICENT CHESTNUT WHICH WAS ONCE A PROLIFIC TREE ON THE EAST COAST BUT HAS BEEN RAVAGED BY BLIGHT.

FOR 25 YEARS THE TEAM LED BY Dr. NEWHOUSE AND FERNANDEZ HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING A STRAIN GENETICALLY RESISTANT TO BLIGHT.

THE WORK WHICH IS IN THE REGULATORY PHASE WILL HELP RESTORE A TREE THAT IS A LYNCHPIN SPECIES IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ECOSYSTEM.

THEIR WORK IS WHY SCIENCE NEEDS TAXPAYER PAYER FUNDING THROUGH GRANTS.

WE ALL BENEFIT.

>> WE DO.

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