>> MEET THE NEW BOSS, SAME AS THE OLD BOSS.

GOVERNOR HOCHUL WANTS CELL PHONES OUT OF SCHOOLS.

AND SYRACUSE HAS A NEW PLAN FOR TRASH, AND IT COULD COST YOU.

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY NINA MOORE FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, ANIRBAN ACHARYA FROM LEMOYNE COLLEGE, TARA ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE, AND RICK FENNER FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK THE OATH OF OFFICE ON MONDAY, GAVE TWO INAUGURAL SPEECHES, THEN GOT TO IT.

HE SIGNED 26 EXECUTIVE ORDERS THAT FIRST DAY ALONE.

HE TOOK ACTION TO END BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, CLOSE THE BORDER, DECLARE AN ENERGY EMERGENCY AND INVESTIGATE WHAT HE CLAIMED WAS THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT DURING THE BIDEN YEARS.

NINA, WHAT ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS FOR TRUMP 2, AND WHICH EXECUTIVE ACTION STANDS OUT TO YOU?

>> WELL, TO THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, AS TO WHAT STAND OUT TO ARE ME, IS THE FACT THAT THESE EXECUTIVE ORDERS, TAKEN AS A WHOLE, ARE STUNNINGLY, STUNNINGLY UNRELATED TO CONCERNS THAT VOTERS IDENTIFIED AS THEIR NUMBER AND NUMBER 2 TOP CONCERNS DURING THE RUN UP TO THE ELECTION.

THOSE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER 2 TOP CONCERNS WERE INFLATION AND THE COST OF LIVING.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE TRUMP HAS SPENT MOST OF HIS ENERGY, AND THAT IS IN TAKING DOWN DEI, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER IS EXTREMELY DETAILED IN TERMS OF LAYING OUT THE TARGETED PROGRAMS, LAYING OUT THE BENCHMARKS THAT ARE TO BE MET, THE DATES BY WHICH THEY ARE TO BE MET, AND EVEN THE AGENCIES; HOWEVER, WHEN YOU PIVOT TO LOOK AT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT IS TITLED EMERGENCY PRICE RELIEF, WHAT YOU SEE IS, INSTEAD OF THE EIGHT PAGES FOR THE EI EXECUTIVE ORDER, ONLY FOUR PAGES FOR THIS ONE AND HERE'S THE RUB.

FOLDED INTO JUST SORT OF BUNCHED INTO THAT ONE EXECUTIVE ORDER FOR PRICE RELIEF IS BASICALLY A MANDATE TO LOWER PRICES FOR HEALTHCARE, FOR HOUSING, TO DEAL WITH HOME APPLIANCES, JOB CREATION.

ALL AGAIN IN FOUR PAGES, WITH NO SPECIFICITY AS TO HOW IT'S TO BE DONE, WHEN, BY WHOM AND WHERE?

>> INFLATION IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN ACTUALLY CONTROL BY EXECUTIVE ORDER.

>> I WOULD ARGUE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT EXECUTIVE ORDER WAS THE ONE HE DIDN'T MAKE ON THAT FIRST DAY AND THAT IS RELATED TO THE ECONOMY.

AND THAT WAS HE HAD PROMISED THAT HE WOULD IMMEDIATELY PUT TARIFFS ON 25% ON MEXICO AND CANADA AND AT LEAST 10% ON CHINA.

AND HE DIDN'T DO THAT.

AND THOSE WOULD BE INFLATIONARY.

I'M AT LEAST A LITTLE BITTEN COURAGED THAT HE HAS POSTPONED DOING THIS.

HE NOW SAYS HE MAY DO IT AS OF FEBRUARY 1, BUT THOSE ARE, IF HE HAD FOLLOWED THROUGH ON THAT, MOST ECONOMISTS ARGUED THAT WOULD MAKE INFLATION EVEN WORSE.

>> RIGHT, BUT TO YOUR POINT, DAVE, I AGREE IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME.

BUT HERE'S WHAT HE COULD HAVE DONE.

IS HE COULD HAVE SPELLED OUT RELIEVE LEAF-- RELIEF FOR FARMERS AND FOR THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH LOWER FOOD PRICES.

BUT INSTEAD, YOU KNOW WHAT HE DID REGARDING FARMERS?

HE CUT OFF FUNDS TO BLACK FARMERS IN PARTICULAR.

SO NO, HE IS NOT GOING TO BUILD ROME IN A DAY, BUT HE CERTAINLY COULD HAVE FOCUSED ON THE FIRST STEP.

>> WHAT ABOUT, ANIRBAN, THE IDEA OF SORT OF THE LIMITS OF PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY?

I MEAN HE IS PUSHING THE BOUNDARIES.

>> YES, SO THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR FOR A LONG TIME, RIGHT?

THERE ARE SEVERAL BOOKS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT IT.

OVER TIME, THE SEPARATION OF HOURS THAT HAVE KIND OF BEEN DELEGATED TOWARD A MORE ELECTORAL DICTATORSHIP WHERE THE EXECUTIVE POWER HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT AND MORE AND MORE EXPANSIVE IN AMERICAN POLITICS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT, RIGHT?

RULING THROUGH EXECUTIVE ORDERS RATHER THAN CREATING LAWS.

AND A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WAS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IS ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS RESTORING THE SPECIAL CATEGORY OF FEDERAL WORKERS CALLED SCHEDULE 7 WHERE-- SCHEDULE F WHERE THE FEDERAL WORKERS WOULD NOT HAVE JOB PROTECTION THAT WERE ENJOYED BY CIVIL SERVANTS.

WILL NOT HAVE WHISTLE BUFFALOING PROTECTION AND SO ON.

SECOND THING I REALLY WORRIED ABOUT WAS THE SUSPENSION OF THE OF THE REFUGEE PROGRAM COMPLETELY.

RIGHT NOW THE JOKE IS MAYBE THE FRENCH WANT THEIR STATUE BACK.

YOU KNOW WHAT STATUE I'M TALKING ABOUT, I SUPPOSE.

AND THEN LASTLY, THE EXECUTIVE ORDER OF LBJ THAT, YOU KNOW, ALLOWED-- >> PRESIDENT JOHNSON.

>> PRESIDENT JOHNSON, THAT, YOU KNOW, MADE FEDERAL CONTRACTORS AND SUBCONTRACTORS COMPLY WITH ANTIDISCRIMINATION LAWS AND ALLOW AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FOR WOMEN AND MINORITY GROUPS TO PRODUCE DETAILED REPORTS FOR THIS COMPLIANCE.

THAT IS COMPLETELY GONE.

SO WHAT I'M SEEING A MORE EXECUTIVE BRANCH POWER GRAB BY THE EXECUTIVE BRRCH THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING BUT THIS HAS MORE OF A FASCIST UNDERTONES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE THE ONE INTERESTING ORDER THAT HE SAYS IF THE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES SEE THAT THEIR COLLEAGUES ARE DISOBEYING THE DEI ORDER, THEY SHOULD TELL ON THEIR COLLEAGUES.

THIS IS A GUESS STAP GE TAP OWE SURVEY SURVEILLANCE OR YOU WILL BE PENALIZED FOR NOT TELLING ON THEM.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT HE WITHDREW FROM THE PARIS ACCORD WHICH WE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DO, BUT HE HAS CUT OFF FUNDING FOR THE U.N.

CLIMATE ORGANIZATION AND IT IS SORT OF WITH THE A-- THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE EFFORTS TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE WHICH, OF COURSE HE DOESN'T BELIEVE REALLY IS HAPPENING, ACTUALLY WERE BEGINNING TO HAVE SOME POSITIVE IMPACT.

AND YOU KNOW, SUPPORT FOR THAT WORLDWIDE WAS AT AN ALL TIME HIGH.

AND SO IN A SENSE, MY CONCERN IS THAT AMERICA WILL TAKE A STEP BACK, WHICH IS OF COURSE WHAT HE WANTS, FROM TRYING TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE.

I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT OUR WITHDRAWAL FROM THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THAT IMPACTS NOT SIMPLY THINGS LIKE THE PANDEMIC, BUT THAT IMPACTS ALL SORTS OF SHARING OF SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION.

NOW HE IS DOING THIS UNDER THE GUISE OF SAYING, OKAY, I'M GOING TO FORCE OTHER COUNTRIES TO PAY MORE AND SUPPORT THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION.

BUT HE IS LOOKING AT THE ECONOMIC SIDE OF IT, OR AT LEAST HIS ADVISERS ARE LOOKING AT THE ECONOMIC SIDE OF IT, NOT LOOKING AT THE WORLDWIDE IMPACT IN TERMS OF SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE AND DEALING WITH WHAT SCIENTISTS HAVE MADE VERY CLEAR ARE GOING TO BE ONGOING PANDEMICS AS DISEASES MORPH, ET CETERA.

>> WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL EPIDEMIC ANYWAY RIGHT NOW WITH BIRD FLU WHICH COULD BE AROUND THE CORNER.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION SOMETHING THAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO THAT HE DID AND THAT IS THE PARDONING OF ALMOST ALL OF THE JANUARY 6 RIOTERS.

NEW YORK TIMES WEBSITE HAS A GREAT PIECE WHERE THEY HAVE VIDEO OF MANY OF THE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD BEEN PARDONED SHOWING THEM BEATING, TASING, DRAGGING POLICE OFFICERS.

THIS IS DISGRACEFUL AND WE SHOULD NOT FORGET.

>> THAT MAY COME BACK TO-- >> MANY GROUPS LIKE ORGANIZATIONS OF POLICE ARE VERY UPSET THAT HE-- THAT BACKED HIM AND ENDORSED HIM ARE UPSET THAT HE HAS GONE THROUGH AND DONE THIS AND SOME REPUBLICANS ARE ALSO UNHAPPY.

>> I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT ANIRBAN TALKED ABOUT AND THAT IS THE CONSOLIDATION OF POWER WITHIN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

THAT ACTUALLY STARTED DURING THE ROOSEVELT YEARS WHEN HE SHIFTED AWAY FROM CONGRESS THAT WAS THOUGHT COOPERATIVE TO DEAL WITH THE GREAT DEPRESSION INSTEAD TO RELY UPON EXECUTIVE ORDERS.

BUT IN THAT CASE, IT WAS TO DO SO IN ORDER TO PROVIDE RELIEF DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE.

THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT.

NOT ONLY FROM PRIOR PRESIDENTS BUT EVEN IN THE AREA OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

THE REVOCATION OF JOHNSON'S EXECUTIVE ORDER 11246, THAT WAS STRIKING BECAUSE NO OTHER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT DID THAT.

NIXON, IN FACT, EXPANDED UPON IT.

REAGAN, ALTHOUGH HE TALKED ABOUT BEING OPPOSED TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WAS REALLY OPPOSED TO QUOTAS AND COULD HAVE REVOKED IS 1246 AS WELL SO THIS IS STUNNING.

I THINK ALL OF THIS AMOUNTS TO THIS.

NOT JUST PROVIDING RED MEAT TO THE BASE BUT IN FACT PROVIDING BLACK AND BROWN MEAT TO THE BASE.

THE QUESTION IS IS THAT GOING TO SATISFY THEIR APPETITE?

IT IS NOT GOING TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE AND GAS IN THE TANK.

HIM PLAYING HIS CARD THIS EARLY ON IS GOING TO SHOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE.

>> I'M SURE WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO MANY OF THESE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

GOVERNOR HOCHUL'S RELEASED HER PROPOSED BUDGET THIS WEEK.

INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL QUARTER TRILLION DOLLAR BUDGET IS 13 AND A HALF MILLION TO HELP SCHOOLS RESTRICT CELL PHONE USE.

HOCHUL WANTS THE LEGISLATURE TO BAN PHONES IN SCHOOLS, AS AT LEAST EIGHT OTHER STATES HAVE DONE.

HER PROPOSED BAN WOULD START IN AUGUST, BUT LEAVE IT UP TO SCHOOLS TO ENFORCE.

SHOULD THE STATE BAN CELL PHONES FOR K THROUGH 12 STUDENTS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WITH-- AND I WANT TO MAKE THIS CLEAR, WITH EXCEPTIONS FOR MEDICAL USE, EDUCATIONAL USE, ET CETERA.

AND ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL IS THAT SHE LEAVES IT UP TO THE DISTRICTS TO ACTUALLY CREATE THE PLAN AND TO ALSO COME UP WITH THE SYSTEM FOR BASICALLY LOBLGING DOWN, LET'S USE THAT TERM, THE CELL PHONES, WHETHER IT'S STUDENTS COME IN AND HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE PHONES ARE COMPLETELY SHUT OFF OR WHETHER THEY LEAVE THEM IN THE LOCKERS, WHATEVER THAT WILL BE, SHE LEAVES THAT UP TO THE DISTRICTS.

PART OF THE REASON THIS IS A GOOD IDEA IS BECAUSE WHILE THERE HAS NOT BEEN A STUDY THAT SPECIFICALLY CAN MAKE DIRECT LINKS-- AND STUDIES ARE IN THE WORKS-- BUT CERTAINLY ANECDOTALLY AND IN TERMS OF WHAT PSYCHOLOGY PSYCHOLOGISTS AND PSYCHIATRISTS ARE SAYING EXCESSIVE CELL PHONE USE ESPECIALLY ON TIKTOK AND INSTAGRAM, ET CETERA, IS LEADING TO DEPRESSION, LOW SELF-ESTEEM AND BULLYING ET CETERA.

IT IS A DISTRACTION DURING SCHOOL.

AND THE FLIP SIDE OF THIS IS THAT FOR MANY STUDENTS, HAVING A CELL PHONE NO LONGER IS SIMPLY SOMETHING THAT IS AN ADDITION.

IT'S A NECESSITY.

IT'S HOW WE DO MANY OF OUR APPLICATIONS.

YOU HAVE TO DO THEM ONLINE.

THEY DO THEM ON THEIR CELL PHONES.

PARENTS WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTACT THEIR CHILDREN IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.

MANY TIMES THIS IS THE WAY IF YOU ARE WORKING AND MANY JUNIORS AND SENIORS ARE WORKING, THIS IS HOW YOU CONTACT YOUR FELLOW EMPLOYEES.

THIS IS HOW YOU ARE NOTIFIED ABOUT CHANGES ON YOUR JOB, ET CETERA.

>> IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU MENTIONED TIKTOK.

WE DIDN'T BRING UP TIKTOK IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WHICH WE WILL HAVE TO AT SOME POINT.

>> CAN I DISAGREE.

>> YOU MAY.

>> NO DOUBT THEY'RE DISTRACTING BUT AS YOU SAID AND AS THE GOVERNOR SAID IN THE PIECE THAT SHE IS PROPOSING, INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS AND SCHOOLS ARE BEST POISED TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION.

MANY OF THEM HAVE.

WHY DOES THE STATE HAVE TO STEP IN HERE?

WHY SHOULDN'T THIS BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF LOCAL DISTRICTS?

IF A DISTRICT DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM OR MAYBE THEY'VE COME UP WITH A UNIQUE WAY OF USING THESE DEVICES THAT ACTUALLY AID INSTRUCTION, THEY WILL BE NOW PREVENTED OR GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO THE STATE TO ASK FOR AN EXEMPTION.

LOCAL CONTROL HERE ON THIS ISSUE SO I DON'T SEE WHY-- IT'S WELL WELL INTENTIONED BUT ANOTHER SILLY EXAMPLE OF THE STATE OVER REACHING.

>> EXCEPT THAT THE STATE IS GOING TO PROVIDE MONEY, RIGHT.

SO FOR SOME SCHOOLS THAT HAVE TO HAVE FACILITIES WHERE THEY CAN LOCK UP THE PHONES AND MONITOR THE PHONES, PERHAPS HIRE A PERSON WHO IS GOING TO OVERSEE THE COLLECTION AND DISTRIBUTION, I THINK OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE AN UNFUNDED MANDATE, RIGHT TO EXPECT SCHOOLS... >> I WOULDN'T MANDATE IT.

>> IF YOU ARE GOING MANDATE IT, ALSO FUND IT, ESPECIALLY IF RESEARCH AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL FROM TEACHERS, FROM THE EIGHT STATES THAT HAVE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED IT SHOW THAT THIS WORKS.

THE STATE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD PLAY A ROLE IN HELPING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

>> YOU KNOW, FOR A PERSON WHO HAS BEEN CLEAN FROM SOCIAL MEDIA FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, I SEE PEOPLE LIKE-- AND MANY STUDENTS, THEY'RE COMPLETELY IMMERSED IN IT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE A NEW WORD FOR IT.

DO YOU KNOW THERE IS A WORD CALLED NORMAL PHONE YO'.

THE FEAR AND ANXIETY OF BEING WITHOUT YOUR CELL PHONE AND EXPERIENCING FEELINGS OF PANIC,AGE STATION-- AGITATION AND OTHER PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS.

AND THERE ARE SEVERAL PEER REVIEW ARTICLES THAT I WAS GOING THROUGH AND THEY LOOK AT IT DIFFERENT WAYS.

ONE ANSWER IS CLEAR.

THAT CELL PHONE USE DURING CLASS TIME DEFINITELY HAS A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON LEARNING AND LEARNING BEHAVIOR.

ANECDOTALLY I CAN SAY FROM MY CLASS, WHEN I DON'T HAVE ANY ELECTRONICS IN MY CLASSROOM, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS I FELT LIKE LAST YEAR, THAT I WILL GET TERRIBLE REVIEWS BUT WHAT I ACTUALLY SAW IS MANY STUDENTS RETOOK MY CLASS.

THEY GAVE ME EXCELLENT REVIEWS AND THE REASON THEY TOLD ME IS THAT THEY HAD NEVER FELT A TIME IN THEIR LIFE GROWING UP WHERE THEY WERE FORCED TO KIND OF HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE OF NOT HAVING A CELL PHONE WITH THEM AND WHEN THEY WERE FORCED TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE IN MY CLASS, THEY WERE REALLY HAPPY.

THEY WERE MORE PRESENT.

SOME PEOPLE CAME AND TOLD ME THEY FELT CALMER.

SO I DO THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD IDEA TO RESTRICT CELL PHONE USAGES WITH CERTAIN CAVEATS.

IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, HOW DO I GET HOLD OF MY CHILD?

WHAT DO I DO?

>> THE LEGISLATION DOES NOT JUST PREVENT USE OF THESE IN CLASSROOM.

IT SAYS THAT THEY CANNOT BE USED AT ALL DURING THE ENTIRE SCHOOL DAY, WHICH AGAIN IS GOING BEYOND WHAT SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS MIGHT THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR THEM.

AGAIN, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS GOING THROUGH.

AND IF THE STATE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE FUNDS TO HELP THOSE THAT NEED IT, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THIS.

BUT WHY SHOULD THE STATE BE IMPOSING THIS BAN ON LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS WHEN NOTHING PREVENTS THEM GOING FORWARD.

>> LET'S FOCUS WHAT ANIRBAN SAID, HIS EXPERIENCE IN HIS CLASS WAS.

WE ARE ALL EDUCATORS HERE.

THIS IDEA OF DISTRACTION, 7 5% OF TERRORISMS SAY CELL PHONES ARE A DISTRACTION IN THE CLASSROOM.

>> EITHER SAY YOU CAN'T USE THEM IN THE CLASSROOM, OR IF THEY WANT TO BAN THEM FOR THE ENTIRE DAY, LET THEM MAKE THAT DECISION RATHER THAN THE GOVERNOR IMPOSE IT.

>> BUT CAN YOU IMAGINE THE PARENTS THAT WILL ASSEMBLE IN THESE SMALL ROOMS, BERATING THE LOCAL DISTRICT LEADERS FOR NOT DOING THIS.

AND SO I THINK IN SOME INSTANCES, THIS PROVIDES COVER.

BUT IF COULD I GO TO THE OTHER SIDE THAT DEFENDS HAVING CELL PHONES ON THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY WILL HELP IN, SAY, A CRISIS, ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS A MASS SHOOTING, TO ME, THAT'S LIKE SAYING WELL, OUR WAY OF OR DEALING WITH MASS SHOOTINGS AND VIOLENCE IS GOING TO BE BY WAY OF A CELL PHONE AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY DEALING WITH GUN VIOLENCE AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER TRAGEDIES.

>> THIS IDEA OF COMPROMISING SAFETY FOR PARENTS IS A BIG, A REAL ISSUE.

THEY FEEL THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONTACT THEIR KIDS.

>> THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN EMERGENCIES BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE LAND LINE PHONES INSTALLED AT EVERY DESK.

>> THE NATURE OF THE ORDER AS FAR AS I KNOW IS THAT SHE LEAVES IT UP TO THE SCHOOLS TO ENFORCE IT.

SO THE PARTICULAR OF THE PROGRAM FOR THE SCHOOLS DEPENDS ON THE LOCAL AUTHORITY PROVIDING THE GUIDANCE AND THE MONEY >> BLUE BINS FOR RECYCLING, BLACK FOR THE TRASH.

NEW RULES FOR GARBAGE COLLECTION ARE IN EFFECT FOR SYRACUSE.

IF RESIDENTS DON'T FOLLOW THEM, THEY SOON COULD OWE AS MUCH AS 350 DOLLARS.

WE ALL WANT THE CITY TO BE CLEAN AND TIDY, BUT SHOULD THE FINE FOR MIXING UP TRASH AND RECYCLING BE SO HIGH?

AND IF YOU DON'T BAG YOUR TRASH OR YOU LEAVE YOUR RECYCLING BIN OUT, THAT'S ANOTHER 100 DOLLARS.

IS THIS EXCESSIVE, ESPECIALLY IN A CITY WITH SUCH A HIGH POVERTY RATE?

>> I MEAN LOOK, AS WE HAVE STUDIED ECONOMISTS ALL OYER LIFE, WE KNOW THAT INCENTIVES WORK AND ONE OF THE INCENTIVES IS THAT IF YOU DON'T DO CERTAIN THINGS, YOU WOULD BE FINED FOR IT AND AS A RESULT IT WOULD CHANGE HUMAN BEHAVIOR.

I DON'T-- I DO THINK $350 IS EXTREMELY EXCESSIVE BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO CARRY OUR TRASH EARLY IN THE MORNING, DAY IN AND DAY OUT, THEY'RE NOT ROLLING IN MONEY EITHER.

THEY'RE DOING REALLY HARD WORK.

SO IF-- >> THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE MONEY.

>> IN SOME WAY, TOO, TO MAKE THE LIFE OF THE PEOPLE WHO CARRY OUR GARBAGE A LITTLE MORE EASIER, AND YOU KNOW, POST FINES WHEN-- >> NECESSITY MAY BE LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THAT, GIVE YOU THAT FINE TO HELP THEIR PAYCHECK.

WHAT KIND OF POLICY IS THAT?

>> I MEAN YES, I'M CONFLICTED ABOUT THIS AND, YOU KNOW, BUT HOW DO YOU CHANGE HUMAN BEHAVIOR?

IF PEOPLE ARE DUMPING LIKE TERRIBLE GARBAGE WITHOUT BAGGING IT, RIGHT, LIKE PUTTING IT IN A-- TARA.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE ISSUE IS IN THE MAYOR'S STATED OF THE CITY OR RATHER IN THE MAYOR'S STATEMENT.

HE POINTED OUT THAT THIS IS PARTIALLY ABOUT REDUCING STAFF AND SHIFTING THEM SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE IN TERMS OF CONNECTING WITH GARBAGE AND GARBAGE COLLECTION AND THEY CAN FOCUS ON OTHER THINGS AND THIS MAKES THE CITY MORE EFFICIENT.

SO THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

YES, WE WANT SYRACUSE TO BE MORE BEAUTIFUL, BUT HIS REAL RATIONALE IS THAT THIS ULTIMATELY WILL SAVE MONEY AND FREES UP STAFFING.

AND I DON'T SEE FINING PEOPLE THAT MUCH JUST TO FREE UP STAFFING.

>> THEN THERE IS THE NEW STORY AS TO WHY THESE ARE IN PLACE BECAUSE I SEEM TO RECALL THE INITIAL ARGUMENT WAS TO REDUCE WORKER INJURIES AND I WAS THINKING SO SYRACUSE WORKERS DON'T KNOW HOW TO AVOID INJURIES THE SAME WAY OTHER CITIES DO?

BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE.

>> REDUCING INJURIES BY REDUCING PERSONNEL.

RIGHT?

>> THAT COULD BE.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBERS ON THAT BECAUSE WHAT I FIND OFTEN, AND I LIKE THE MAYOR, BUT WHAT I FIND OFTEN IS THEY MAKE THESE CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT IS WITHOUT THE PROOF THAT BACKS IT UP.

BUT TO ME, I DON'T RECALL WHEN SYRACUSE ANNOUNCED THAT THERE WAS A CRISIS WITH TRASH COLLECTION OR TRASH BEING ALL OVER THE CITY.

WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT HOMEOWNERS, TAX PAYING HOMEOWNERS ALREADY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AN AFFORDABILITY GAP, SO THAT THEY CANNOT MAINTAIN THEIR HOMES BECAUSE IT'S TOO COSTLY.

WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A HUGE CROP OF HOMES THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED.

THERE IS THE POVERTY RATE.

THERE IS THE LEAD POISONING RATE, A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BIGGER THAN NON-EXISTENT TRASH CRISIS BUT I HAVE TO PUT ALL OF MY CARDS ON THE TABLE HERE AND ADMIT THAT I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN MUCH OF A HECK ABOUT THIS HAD I NOT BEEN SUBJECT TO A $350 FINE AND IT'S GOING TO BITE.

AND I'M PROBABLY GOING TO LOSE THE APPEAL AFTER THIS.

BUT WHAT IT SHOWED ME IS THAT THERE ARE SOME VERY SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH BOTH ENFORCEMENT AND OVERSIGHT.

I STILL DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE FINE WAS FOR.

THERE WAS NO SIGNATURE ON THE TICKET.

AT LEAST YOU GET THAT WITH POLICE TRAFFIC TICKETS.

AND ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW WHO I GET TO APPEAL TO?

FOR THIS CITY FINE I APPEAL TO THE CITY ITSELF.

AND THE CITY HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN DEEMING DEALING WITH THE INSOLVENCY THREAT THAT ONE OF THE CITY COUNCILORS WROTE ABOUT IN SYRACUSE.COM.

SO IT STINKS.

>> GET OUT YOUR CHECKBOOK.

AND RICK LET'S GET THE ECONOMIST POINT OF VIEW ON THIS.

>> THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE CELL PHONES TO ME.

PERHAPS A WELL INTENTIONED BUT VERY SILLY WAY OF ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM.

ESPECIALLY GIVEN, I DON'T KNOW, DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT PLASTIC NUMBERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THEIR RECYCLING BIN?

THIS IS CONFUSING.

I UNDERSTAND THATY WANT TO INCREASE RECYCLING AND REDUCE GARBAGE BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.

>> OKAY.

WITH THAT WE'LL GO TO OUR As AND Fs.

NINA YOUR F. >> I'M GIVING AN F TO THE DETENTION AND HANDCUFFING OF AN 11-YEAR-OLD BLACK GIRL BY ONONDAGA COUNTY DEPUTY SHEMPTS SHERIFFS BASED ON A MISTAKEN IDENTITY.

SYRACUSE.COM EDITORIAL BOARD EXPLAINS HOW THIS INCIDENT FITS A LARGER PATTERN OF THE ADULTFICATION OF CLACK CHILDREN THAT BLACK GIRLS ARE SEEN AS OLDER, LESS INNOCENT AND LESS IN NEED OF PROTECTION THAN WHITE GIRLS.

SHERIFF SHELLY SHOULD NOT EXCUSE THE FACT THAT A GROUP OF GROWN SHERIFFS, LIKELY INFLICTED EMOTIONAL SCARS ON AN 11-YEAR-OLD BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIGHT SKIN VERSUS DARK SKIN, LONG HAIR VERSUS SHORT HAIR.

THIS SHOULD INSTEAD BE A TEACHABLE MOMENT.

UNLESS, OF COURSE, THE 11-YEAR-OLD GIRL THREATENED THE SAFETY OF ALL OF THESE GROWN SHERIFFS.

>> ANIRBAN.

>> MY F GOES TO ISRAEL'S OBSTRUCTION OF THE U.N. INVESTIGATION INTO OCTOBER 7 SEX CRIME ACCUSATIONS AGAINST HAMAS MILITANTS.

A MANDATED COMMISSION THAT PROBES VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS LAW AND SEX CRIMES ON TUESDAY ACCUSED OF ISRAEL OF OBSTRUCTING ITS EFFORTS TO COLLECT EVIDENCE FROM THE VICTIMS OF THAT OF HAMAS IN SOUTHERN ISRAEL ON OCTOBER 7.

>> TARA.

>> MY F GOES TO FOX NEWS HOST FOR BLAMING THE CALIFORNIA WILDFIRES ON NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES WHO HAVE PUSHED FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE RIVER ECOSYSTEM.

SHOWING HIS LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE WATER PRESSURE ISSUES FACED BY FIRE CREWS, WATERS CONFLATED WATER ACCESS ISSUES AT THE SANTA UNEZ RESERVOIR WITH THE RIVER.

>> AND RICK.

>> JOE ROGUE AN AND OTHER CONSERVATIVES ARE BLASTING LIBERALS FOR SUGGESTING THAT MUSK'S AWKWARD GESTURE IS A NAZI SALUTE.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS BUT LIBERALS ARE NOT ONLY ONE CLAIMING THIS.

A RIGHT WING POLITICAL COMMENTER SAID HOLY CRAP, DID ELON MUSK HIEL HITLER?

THIS IS INCREDIBLE.

WE ARE BACK.

WHY ARE PEOPLE LIKE ROGUE AN ONLY COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LEFT'S APPARENT MISINFORMATION?

MY F GOES TO CONSERVATIVES WILLING TO ALLOW THE ULTRARIGHT TO THINK THIS WAS SOME SYMBOLIC GESTURE MADE TO THEM.

>> A.

>> MY A GOES TO ONONDAGA COUNTY SHERIFF TOBY SHELLY FOR IMPLEMENTING A NEW POLICY THAT WAS ANNOUNCED ON JANUARY 14 JUST ONE DAY AFTER THE INCIDENT I DESCRIBED A MOMENT AGO.

COUNTY SHERIFFS ARE NOW REQUIRED TO NOTIFY A PARENT OR GUARDIAN OF ANY JUVENILE WHO IS DETAINED FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES NO MATTER HOW BRIEF THE ENCOUNTER IS.

BEFORE THE POLICY PARENTS WERE ONLY NOTIFIED IF THERE WAS A FORMAL ARREST.

IT WOULD BE NICE, TOO, IF THE SHERIFFS NEW POLICY REQUIRED THAT THERE WAS BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE OF IT AS WELL.

>> ANIRBAN.

>> MY A GOES TO EPISCOPAL BISHOP MARIANNE FOR HER SERMON AT THE PRAYER SERVICE IN WASHINGTON.

SHE SAID OUR GOD TEACHES US THAT WE ARE TO BE MERCIFUL TO THE STRANGER BECAUSE WE WERE ALL ONCE STRANGERS IN THIS LAND.

I THINK IT'S FROMLEY VIF CUSS BUT I'M NOT SURE.

>> AN AID TO FORMER PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR HIS PARDON OF MARCUS GARVEY FALSELY ACCUSED AN CONVICTED OF MAIL FRAUD SURROUNDING MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNIA BLACK STAR LINE.

EVEN IN 1923 IT WOOS CLEAR GARVEY WAS INNOCENT.

>> RICK.

>> MY A ALSO WENT TO BISHOP MARION BUDDY.

IN RETURN FOR OTHER ASKING FOR MERCY, IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED SHE BE DEPORTED BECAUSE SHE IS A FEMALE BISHOP TRUMP HIMSELF SAID HE WAS NASTY IN TONE AND NOT COMPELLING OR SMART.

CHARACTERISTICS HE HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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