>> WHEN IS A TAX NOT A TAX?

TRUMP SAYS WHEN IT'S A TARIFF.

NOW THE SUPREME COURT WILL DECIDE.

TRICK QUESTION•HOW DO YOU SPELL TSUNAMI?

A BIG BLUE WAVE IN THIS WEEK'S ELECTIONS.

AND CONFEDERATE GENERALS, MILITARY BASE NAMES, AND A PROMISE DELIVERED.

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED THIS WEEK BY: TY SEIDULE FROM HAMILTON COLLEGE, SARA PRALLE FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.

BEN BAUGHMAN FROM GANNON UNIVERSITY, AND TARA ROSS, FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

PRESIDENT TRUMP FAMOUSLY LOVES TARIFFS.

THIS WEEK THE SUPREME COURT HEARD A CASE THAT MAY DETERMINE HOW HE GETS TO USE THEM.

TRUMP'S TRADE WAR RIDES ON WHETHER HIS POWER TO "REGULATE" IMPORTS DURING AN ECONOMIC EMERGENCY MEANS HE CAN IMPOSE TARIFFS AS HE SEES FIT.

A SECONDARY QUESTION IS WHETHER THE TRADE DEFICIT CONSTITUTES SUCH AN EMERGENCY.

THE COURT HAS APPEARED FAVORABLE TO TRUMP'S PERSPECTIVE ON SEVERAL OTHER ISSUES.

BUT IF THE GOVERNMENT WINS THIS CASE, IS CONGRESS STILL A CO-EQUAL BRANCH?

>> I MEAN THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT HAVE THEY BEEN A CO-EQUAL PART OF THE GOVERNMENT SINCE THE 70s, SINCE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE EXPLORING WITH IEPA.

SO THERE IS THAT COMPONENT.

AND THE FACT THAT HE CAN OR THE PRESIDENT, WHOEVER IS PRESIDENT AT THE TIME, CAN OUTRIGHT USE AN EMBARGO AGAINST PEOPLE, THE ARGUMENT BEING MADE-- THEY'RE REFERRING TO THE DOUGHNUT ARGUMENT.

IF YOU CAN OUTRIGHT KEEP ANYTHING FROM COMING, WHY CAN'T YOU DO SOMETHING LESS SEVERE?

>> OKAY, SO HIS ASSERTION-- TRUMP'S ASSERTION RESTS ON THIS 1977 LAW, IEPA THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT GRANTS THE PRESIDENT EMERGENCY POWERS TO REGULATE COMMERCE.

SO DOES THE PRESIDENT-- TODD, DOES THE PRESIDENT-- TY DOES THE PRESIDENT'S AUTHORITY INCLUDE THE POWER TO TAX THEM?

>> WELL THIS IS IT.

THIS IS A TAX AND RAISING BILLIONS MAYBE EVENTUALLY FOR FOUR YEARS, TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

IF HE CAN DO THAT, WHICH IS WHAT NEIL GORSUCH WAS SAYING, HE CAN DO THAT, WHAT CAN'T HE DO?

I ALSO THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING THAT GORSUCH, ONE OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE THERE SAYING, PARTICULARLY OF THIS, IF LEE SHE CAN DO THIS, WHAT CAN'T HE DO?

IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE THE MEMBERS OF THE CONSERVATIVE COALITION, GORSUCH AND BARRETT TALKING ABOUT THIS MAJOR QUESTION THAT YOU CAN'T DO.

THIS AND THEN YOU HAVE ALITO WHO HAS NEVER SEEN A REPUBLICAN POSITION HE CAN'T SUPPORT.

REALLY, IF YOU LOOK BACK INTO HIS PREVIOUS BEFORE HE WAS ON THE SUPREME COURT, ALL HE CARES ABOUT IS HEWING TO THE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN LINE.

BUT IF THEY LOSE GORSUCH, AND I THINK THEY DID, THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO WELL FOR TRUMP.

>> WE SHOULD BE CLEAR THE MAJOR QUESTIONS DOCTRINE THIS IS IDEA THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT, CONGRESS REALLY HAS TO SPELL IT OUT.

I THINK ANTHONY SCALIA SAID THE QUOTE WAS CONGRESS DOESN'T HIDE HELL FANTS IN MOUSE HOLES.

>> IT IS A MADE UP DOCTRINE HONESTLY BUT CONSERVATIVES USED IT AGAINST BIDEN SEVERAL TIMES TO RULE AGAINST HIS STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS, HE WANTED TO PUT A MORATORIUM ON EVICTIONS THAT THEY KNOCKED THAT DOWN AND MAJOR CLIMATE REGULATIONS, CLAIMING THAT THOSE WENT OVER HIS, YOU KNOW, HIS ABILITY TO ACT UNILATERALLY ON THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY HAD MAJOR CONSEQUENCES ON THE ECONOMY.

SO IT'S LIKE HOW DO YOU ARGUE THEN IN THIS CASE-- THEY'RE IN A BIT OF A BIND-- HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THIS DOCTRINE THAT THEY ESSENTIALLY MADE UP AND HAVE USED AGAINST DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS?

AND I THINK THE THING THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO ARGUE, SOME OF THEM, WILL BE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS FOREIGN FACING; THAT THIS IS ABOUT HIS POWER IN THE REALM OF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, THAT THAT IS WHAT SEPARATES IT FROM SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT BIDEN DID.

BUT I THINK IT'S A PRETTY WEAK ARGUMENT, HONESTLY.

>> WELL, BUT, YOU SAY YOU THINK IT'S A WEAK ARGUMENT BUT FOREIGN POLICY IS CLEARLY THE DOMAIN OF THE EXECUTIVE.

AND THE POWER OF THE PURSE CLEARLY THE DOMAIN OF THE CONGRESS... >> OF THE CONGRESS TO TAX, RIGHT?

ONE OF THEIR MAJOR POWERS-- AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, I GET IT THAT IT HAS TO DO WITH FOREIGN TARIFFS BUT IT HAS HUGE DOMESTIC CONSEQUENCES.

IT'S THE IMPORTERS THAT ARE PAYING THESE.

IT'S THE CONSUMERS PAYING THE TAXES.

SO I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN IS A LITTLE BIT FUZZY HERE.

>> I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE.

AND IN TRUMP'S MAKING HIS JUSTIFICATION THAT THIS IS NECESSARY TO RESTORE U.S.

MANUFACTURING BASE AND FIX TRADE IMBALANCES, THOSE ARE CERTAINLY IMPORTANT ISSUES.

THOSE ARE CERTAINLY ISSUES THAT HAVE BOTH INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL IMPLICATIONS.

BUT IS IT AN EMERGENCY?

PART OF THE ARGUMENT THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS TO MAKE IS THAT HE NEEDS THIS BROAD SWATH OF POWER BECAUSE WE ARE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR ECONOMY, WHEN HE WAS ELECTED, YOU KNOW, YES, THERE WERE TRADE UM BALANCES, CERTAINLY THERE WERE AREAS THAT NEEDED TO BE FIXED OR WORKED ON IN TERMS OF THE TRADE IMBALANCES, INCREASING OUR MANUFACTURING BASE.

BUT OUR ECONOMY WAS NOT READING "WE ARE IN AN EMERGENCY."

>> BUT THE IDEA OF AN EMERGENCY IS, I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION ARGUE THIS IS UNREVIEWABLE.

THE COURT DOESN'T SAY WHETHER WE ARE IN AN ECONOMIC EMERGENCY.

THEY'RE ARGUING THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE.

>> THEY DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

I THINK, IF I WAS A REPUBLICAN, I WOULD WANT THE COURT TO SAY THE TARIFFS DON'T WORK.

THAT YOU CAN'T DO THE TARIFFS BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER FOR THE ECONOMY, THE INFLATION ISN'T GOING TO BE AS HIGH AND YOU ARE GOING TO LET THIS DELUGE OF MONEY THAT THEY'VE ALREADY GOT BACK INTO THE ECONOMY BEFORE THE MID TERM.

I THINK TARIFFS ARE A LOSER FOR THE REPUBLICANS AND WILL BE AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE TO DO THEM.

>> BUT TRUMP LOVES THEM BECAUSE IT GIVES HIM A TON OF POWER AND HE USES THEM WILLIE NILLY TO REWARD HIS FRIENDS INTERNATIONALLY AND PUNISH HIS ADVERSARIES OR ENEMIES FOR SMALL INFRACTIONS LIKE BUTTING UP A BILLBOARD THAT QUOTES RONALD REAGAN ABOUT TARIFFS.

SO HE LOVES THEM.

>> WELL, THAT GETS TO AN INTERESTING POINT BECAUSE HIS ARGUMENTS, TO SOME EXTENT, SEEM TO-- HIS ACTIONS, I SHOULD SAY, SEEM TO UNDERMINE THE ARGUMENTS BECAUSE ECONOMIC EMERGENCY, OKAY, IF THAT'S THE ARGUMENT, BUT WE ARE GOING TO PUT A TARIFF ON BECAUSE WE DIDN'T LIKE THAT AD.

SO I MEAN TO WHAT EXTENT IS HE UNDERMINING HIS OWN CASE?

>> WELL, HE SAYS IT'S ABOUT-- HE HAS BEEN SAYING IT IS GOING TO GET ALL THIS REVENUE, GET ALL THIS REVENUE AND THEN THEY ARGUE LATELY IT'S NOT ABOUT THE REVENUE.

SO, YEAH, IT'S A HOT MESS.

>> AND THE MONEY, YOU MENTIONED HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

I MEAN THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY THAT HAS COME INTO THE TREASURY NOW.

WHAT HAPPENS IF THE GOVERNMENT LOSES THE CASE?

>> YEAH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

SO WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS IT BECOMES RETROACTIVE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO EXPLORING THAT IT MAY NOT.

THAT IT MAY BE FROM THE TIME THAT THEY DECIDE MOVING FORWARD.

BUT I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ARGUMENT THAT IS BEING MADE AND HOW TRUMP ALWAYS MESSAGES.

HE IS GOING TO SPEAK THE LANGUAGE THAT HIS BASE WANTS TO HEAR.

AND AND HE IS GOING TO SIMPLIFY THINGS VERSUS THE ARGUMENT THAT HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD.

AND WE JUST HEARD THIS WEEK THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY'RE REALLY PUTTING FORWARD IN FRONT OF THE SUPREME COURT, AT LEAST LARGELY AS THE POPULATION, AND WHAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS THE FENTANYL SIDE OF IT.

SO HE WAS LOOKING AT TRADE BEING AN EMERGENCY.

BUT ALSO THE AMOUNT OF FENTANYL COMING IN.

AND THAT WAS PART OF THE TARIFFS AND REGULATING THE IMPORT.

SO, YES, BIDEN WAS DOMESTIC AND THAT IS PART OF THE ARGUMENT BUT IT IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE USED TO REGULATE IMPORTS BUT NOT WITH TARIFFS TO THIS EXTENT.

THERE HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT TERMS USED AND PERCENTAGES OF-- THEY'RE TARIFFS, BUT NOT TARIFFS YET.

>> OKAY, NOW, ONE OF HIS FIRST ACTS AS DEFENSE SECRETARY, PETE HEGSETH RESTORED ALL CONFEDERATE NAMES TO SEVERAL MILITARY BASES.

THE NAMES HAD BEEN CHANGED BY THE NAMING COMMISSION ESTABLISHED BY A BIPARTISAN VOTE IN CONGRESS.

THIS TUESDAY-VETERANS DAY-A NEW BOOK IS COMING OUT HIGHLIGHTING THE VALOR AND SERVICE OF THE PEOPLE THE COMMISSION CHOSE TO HONOR.

THE AUTHOR, AND VICE CHAIR OF THE NAMING COMMISSION, IS TY SEIDULE.

TY, WHERE DO THINGS STAND NOW AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THE NAMES ENDURE?

TO ENSURE THAT YOUR COMMISSION IS THAT WAS CHOSENY ENDURES.

>> NO NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD HAS EVER TREATED ITS VETERANS BETTER THAN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

IT REALLY IS AMAZING.

ON THE BASE NAMING, WE FOUND THAT 1100 THINGS NAMED AFTER THE CONFEDERATES WHO CHOSE TREASON TO PRESERVE SLAVERY, WHO KILLED U.S.

ARMY SOLDIERS FOR THE WORST POSSIBLE REASON SO CONGRESS CREATED THAT AND THEN WE RENAMED THE BASES AFTER TRUE AMERICAN HEROES, THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN EVER NAMED AND THE FIRST WOMAN, MARY WALKER ON OSWEGO.

HARRY JOHNSON, ANOTHER MEDAL OF HONOR RECIPIENTS.

WE DID THOSE AND THEN PETE HEGSETH WHO I REFUSE TO CALL THE SECRETARY OF WAR BECAUSE IT IS NOT BY LAW, CAME IN AND CHOSE THEM ALL.

CHOSE SURNAME OVER SERVICE.

AND DID THIS BECAUSE HE AND TRUMP LOVE CONFEDERATES.

DON'T KNOW WHY THEY LOVE CONFEDERATES BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

HOWEVER IS THE LATEST DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT, THE SENATE IS RETURNING THE VIRGINIA BASE NAMES, THE HOUSE IS SAYING TO RETURN ALL OF THEM.

SO THE BILL WILL GO TO CONFERENCE WHENEVER OUR GOVERNMENT GOES BACK TO WORK.

>> SO WHEN YOU SAY RETURN THE NAMES, MEANING RETURN THE COMMISSION NAMES, THE NEW NAMES.

>> THE NEW NAMES.

SO IT'S-- TO QUOTE FAULKNER, THE PAST IS NEVER DEAD.

IT'S NOT EVEN PAST.

WE ARE STILL ARGUING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED LOW THESE MANY YEARS AND THESE BASES WERE NAMED IN WORLD WAR II WHEN THE ARMY WAS SEGREGATED.

>> WHEN THE COMMISSION CHOSE THE NAMES, WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING FOR?

YOU MENTIONED THE FIRST WOMAN, THE FIRST BLACK SOLDIER, BUT IT'S NOT JUST FIRSTS.

>> NO, WE WENT TO EACH COMMUNITY AND ASKED THEM, WE WENT AND VISITED-- IN THE COVID SUMMER OF '2 IS WE WENT TO EACH COMMUNITY AND DID A WEBSITE ASKING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND GOT ALL KINDS OF NAMES, INCLUDING FORT SPEARS, NOT THE LANCE BUT BRITTANY SPEARS.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A COMMISSION AND NOT DONE BY DEMOCRACY.

IT WAS ACCEPTED.

EVERYTHING WAS IMPLEMENTED.

I WENT TO MANY OF THE CEREMONIES.

THEY WERE WONDERFUL.

WE CHOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE ABOUT THE MISSION SO AT FORT NOVACELE NOW FORT RUCKER AGAIN, IS IS WHERE THEY TRAIN HELICOPTERS AND NOVACELL WAS SOMEBODY WHO FLEW HELICOPTERS IN VIETNAM.

WE DID MORE RECENT PEOPLE AS WELL.

IT WAS REALLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED AND REFLECT THAT MISSION.

IT WAS A GREAT THING AND I THINK THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE WAS WRONG TO GO THE OTHER WAY.

>> WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE IN ALL OF THIS.

>> FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO TANK TY FOR DOING THAT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB, LOTS OF HOURS, LOTS OF EFFORT AND IT MUST BE REALLY DISAPPOINTING TO SAY THE LEAST TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT HE CAN REVERSE THIS SO QUICKLY.

AND IT REMINDED ME THAT OF HOW MUCH TRUMP IS JUST DREDGING UP OLD BATTLES THAT WE THOUGHT WERE SETTLED AND THAT NO ONE REALLY WARRANTS WANTS TO DREDGE UP AGAIN AND PERSONALLY I WAS THINKING ABOUT HIS ANNOUNCEMENT RECENTLY TO REVIVE EXPLOSIVE NUCLEAR TESTING UNDERGROUND WHICH IS SOMETHING THE UNITED STATES HASN'T DONE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY AN ISSUE I WORKED ON AS A YOUNG PERSON.

I PROTESTED OUT AT THE NEVADA TEST SITE THERE.

WERE LOTS OF GROUPS THAT WORKED FOR DECADES, NATIVE AMERICAN GROUPS, ALL KINDS OF GREAT COALITION TO TRY TO PUT A STOP TO THAT.

AND HIS OWN SECRETARY OF ENERGY DOESN'T WANT TO DO THIS, RIGHT?

DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE IS DOING THIS.

AND YET HE IS FORGING AHEAD.

WE'LL SEE.

MAYBE HE WON'T DO IT IN THE END.

>> TARA.

>> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HAD ABOUT THIS RUSH TO RESTORE THE CONFEDERATE OFFICERS NAMES TO THE BASES AND RESTORE STATUES, ET CETERA IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP, LESSER ISSUE BUT ONE OF THE ISSUES HE RAN ON AND CERTAINLY ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT RESONATES WITH HIS BASE IS THAT WE SPEND TOO MUCH TIME SPEAKING ABOUT SLAVERY AND EVERYTHING CONNECTED WITH SLAVERY YET YOU TURN AROUND AND SPEND MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT SLAVERY AND EVERYTHING CONNECTED WITH SLAVERY.

SLAVE IMAGES, ET CETERA.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

>> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND THE MONUMENT THAT IS GOING BACK UP IN ARLINGTON AND THE NATION'S CEMETERY, IS A PROSLAVERY MONUMENT WITH AN OVERWEIGHT SLAVE WOMAN WITH A TEAR IN HER EYE TAKING A BABY FROM THE CONFEDERATE SLAVER TO SHOW THE SLAVE SUPPORTED SLAVERY.

IT'S OUTRAGEOUS.

AND WHY HE THINKS THIS-- THERE IS A DIFFERENT BETWEEN HISTORY AND COMMEMORATION.

HISTORY WHAT IS WE STUDY, WHAT WE HISTORIANS STUDY AND PEOPLE READ ABOUT.

COMMEMORATION IS ABOUT OUR VALUES, WHAT INSPIRES US.

AND I THINK THE IDEA THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THINGS THAT INSPIRE CONGRESS, IF THEY HAD A COMMISSION, WOULD THEY COME TO THE SAME RESULTS?

BECAUSE I KNOW THE END RESULT, I THINK WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH.

WHAT TRUMP IS ARGUING WITH THE FIRST THING WE HAD WAS THE END WILL JUSTIFY THE MEANS.

IF THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE-- IF WE WEREN'T IN AGREEMENT, IS THE PROCESS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE THE SAME RESULT, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION?

>> WE HAD OUR COMMISSION HAD THREE REPUBLICANS, ONE DEMOCRAT AND FOUR RETIRED GENERAL ADMIRALS.

WE HAD A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN THAT WAS ON OUR COMIG AND WHO IS FIGHTING NOW.

SO THE CURRENT CONGRESS HAS GONE BACK TO SAYING WE SHOULD DO THE NAMES, NOT THE CONFEDERATE NAMES.

SO IT WAS A BROAD BASED-- AND THE SENATE OVERRODE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S VETO JUST FOR THIS.

IT WAS THE ONLY VETO THEY OVERRODE AND IT WAS A SENATE CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS.

>> VERY INTERESTING.

THAT SHOULD COME OUT >> ELECTION DAY TURNED OUT TO BE A DEEPER BLUE WAVE THAN MANY EXPECTED.

NOT JUST MAJOR RACES WENT TO DEMOCRATS, AND BY BIG MARGINS, BUT EVEN DOWN BALLOT AND LOCAL ELECTIONS WENT THEIR WAY.

HERE IN CENTRAL NEW YORK, THE ONONDAGA LEGISLATURE TURNED BLUE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ALMOST 50 YEARS.

MODERATE DEMOCRATS WON, LEFT-WING DEMOCRATS WON, AND A CERTAIN DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST IN NEW YORK CITY.

ALSO WAS VICTORIOUS.

TARA, WHAT DO YOU MAKE MUCH OF THESE RESULTS?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE AMERICAN IN GENERAL ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR POCKETBOOKS.

AND I REALLY THINK THIS ELECTION SPOKE TO THE FACT THAT CONCERN.

THEY WERE LOOKING FOR CANDIDATES WHO DIDN'T SEEM SORT OF EXTREME.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE PRESIDENT, WITH MANY OF THOSE WHO, YOU KNOW, EITHER HAVE BEEN APPOINTED OR ELECTED WITH HIM, THEY'VE GONE IN ALMOST AN EXTREME MANNER.

AND AMERICANS DON'T LIKE RADICAL CHANGE.

THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO COME IN, SLOWLY AND METHODICALLY ADDRESS WHATEVER CONCERNS HELP THEM GET ELECTED.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT IS HAPPENED.

THERE IS A LOT OF-- IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN THROUGH THE FIRST FULL YEAR OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND YOU THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, THAT'S A LOT OF CHANGE.

IT HAS TRICKLED DOWN VERY QUICKLY TO THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL.

AND SO THAT, I THINK, IS WHAT PEOPLE WERE RESPONDING TO.

>> SO YOU MENTIONED AFFORDABILITY, BASICALLY.

>> YES.

>> AND, OF COURSE, CERTAINLY WHEN 2024 ELECTION WAS ABOUT THAT AS WELL, BUT THE FIRST YEAR ALMOST OF THE ADMINISTRATION HASN'T NECESSARILY REFLECTED THAT, RIGHT?

>> I THINK THE REPUBLICANS AGREE WITH DEMOCRATS THAT IT IS ABOUT ECONOMY AND THAT WAS THE WINNING THING.

BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD AGREE THAT THEY ARE DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE MESSAGING LANDED WITH NEW YORKERS.

THEY LANDED WITH THE DEMOCRATS BECAUSE IT WAS GREAT, GAS PRICES ARE DOWN BUT HOW DO I AFFORD FOOD WHEN I GET THERE?

THE REPUBLICANS, THEY'RE TOTING STOCK MARKET.

IT'S REALLY HIGH, 401 K RETIREMENT.

SO IF YOU ARE MIDDLE CLASS, UPPER MIDDLE CLASS AND WEALTHY, THINGS ARE GOING, YEAH, THERE ARE SOME BUMPS IN THE ROAD BUT THEY'RE GOING PRETTY GOOD OUTSIDE OF THE ROAD.

IF YOU ARE STRUGGLING TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE, THAT LANDS WITH YOU EVERY DAY, EVERY MEAL, EVERY SECOND.

AND THAT RESONATES WITH VOTERS.

>> ONE THING, TRUMP CAN GET PEOPLE TO THE POLLS.

AND IN THIS CASE IT WAS DEMOCRATS, YOU KNOW, HE BROUGHT THE DEMOCRATS TO THE POLLS IN A WAY THAT HUGE NUMBERS CAME OUT EVERYWHERE.

AND I THINK THE THING THAT TRUMP DOES WELL IS HE IS GREAT OUT OF OFFICE AND HE IS GREAT AT TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE.

HE IDENTIFIES PROBLEMS VERY WELL.

BUT WHEN HE GETS INTO OFFICE, HE DESTROYS.

HE DESTROYS INSTITUTIONS, THEE DOES THESE TARIFFS THAT ARE INFLATIONARY AND I DON'T THINK HE IS GOVERNING PARTICULARLY WELL AND THAT CAME ACROSS.

IF I WERE REPUBLICANS, I WOULD BE TERRIFIED GOING INTO THIS BECAUSE DO YOU KNOW WHO IS WAITING IN THE WINGS?

WHICH IS THE DEMOCRATS AND JAMIE RASKININGS GOING TO BE INVESTIGATING LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW IF THEY GET THE HOUSE WHICH I THINK RIGHT NOW LOOKS MORE POSITIVE.

>> I AGREE.

I THINK THE VOTERS THAT SHOWED UP ARE NOT BUYING WHAT TRUMP IS SELLING, RIGHT?

AND HE IS HIGHLY UNPOPULAR AND IT'S A REMINDER THAT HE IS HIGHLY UNPOPULAR.

AND THAT, AFTER HE GOT ELECTED FOR THE SECOND TIME, HE PEOPLE KEPT SAYING ARE WE SEEING POLITICAL REALIGNMENT, THIS GRAND SHIFT, THIS VIBE SHIFT, WHAT HAVE YOU?

AND HE CERTAINLY GOVERNS AS THOUGH HE DID.

BUT I THINK THE SUGGESTION FROM TUESDAY NIGHT IS THAT NO, THERE ISN'T.

AND IN FACT I THINK SOME OF THE DATA THAT IS COMING BACK IS REALLY PROBABLY VERY ENCOURAGING FOR DEMOCRATS IN THE SENSE THAT FIRST OF ALL, PERSUADED SOME PEOPLE, SO IT WASN'T THAT THEY GOT MORE DEMOCRATS OUT BUT PERSUADED PREVIOUS TRUMP VOTERS TO VOTE IN THE CASES OF VIRGINIA AND NEW JERSEY, AT LEAST.

AND ALSO THAT THEY'RE MAKING UP THE LOST GROUND AND THEN SOME WITH BLACK AND LATINO VOTERS IN THOSE TWO STATES AS WELL.

SO THE NUMBERS SO FAR LOOK REALLY GOOD FOR DEMOCRATS GOING FORWARD.

>> AND IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA, WHERE THEY WON SEVERAL BY TWO TO ONE MARGINS AND ALSO THE PENNSYLVANIA SUPREME COURT.

I MEAN IT WAS A RUN ACROSS THE BOARD.

>> A COUPLE OF COUNTY EXECUTIVES IN PENNSYLVANIA AS WELL AND CRITICAL COUNTIES.

AND TWO STATE SENATORS IN MISSISSIPPI, OF ALL PLACES.

>> I THINK THE MESSAGING HAS TO STAY ON POINT.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE THIS BLUE WAVE IN ANOTHER YEAR, ACTUALLY, LESS THAN A YEAR, THE MESSAGING ABOUT DAY-TO-DAY LIVING IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME ACROSS, VERSUS WHAT HAS COME ACROSS SINCE TRUMP HAS ENTERED HIS NAME IN THE VOTING RING.

PEOPLE HAVE VISCERAL REACTIONS TO HIM IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT HIM.

AND THAT BRINGS THOSE PEOPLE THAT VOTE FOR HIM THERE AND THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE AGAINST HIM THERE AND THE MESSAGE IS LOST.

SO, IF THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL THIS TIME, THEY NEED TO STAY ON POINT WITH THE MESSAGE AND AVOID THE VISCERAL ATTACKS ON TRUMP BECAUSE THAT IS ALWAYS ON THE TICKET WHILE HE IS IN OFFICE.

>> NOW WHAT ABOUT HERE IN CENTRAL NEW YORK?

I MENTIONED THE ONONDAGA LEGISLATURE TURNED DEMOCRAT AND WE HAVE A NEW MAYOR, TARA.

>> WELL, THE MAYOR HAD-- SHE IS A LOCAL PERSON.

SHE HAS LOCAL TRACK RECORD.

AND SO I THINK IN A RACE WHERE YOU HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE RUNNING, SHE WAS VERY IDENTIFIABLE.

>> SHARON OWENS.

>> YES, SHARON OWENS, I'M SORRY.

SHE WAS VERY IDENTIFIABLE.

AND PEOPLE RESONATED WITH HER.

THEY FELT LIKE THEY KNEW HER AND SO SHE HAD THAT SENSE OF CONTINUITY WITH THE CURRENT MAYOR.

>> RIGHT.

SHE WORKED IN THE WALSH ADMINISTRATION AND SOMEONE WHO CAME TO CENTRAL NEW YORK TO SYRACUSE, I THINK, 40 YEARS AGO AS A STUDENT AND STUCK AROUND.

WE ALWAYS LIKE TO SEE THAT.

WE NEED TO GO TO AS AND FS.

AND WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN, TY WITH YOUR F.

>> MY F GOES TO TRUMP AND SECRETARY HEGSETH.

I WILL NOT CALL HIM SECRETARY OF WAR.

THEY'RE VIOLATING THE LAW OF WAR BY MURDERING VENEZUELANS AT SEA, 5 HAVE BEEN KILLED SO FAR.

I FEEL FOR THE SAILORS HAVING TO FIRE AT THOSE BOATS.

HEG HEGSETH FIRED THE LAWYERS AND THE ADMINISTRATION WENT TO THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL, RECEIVED AN OPINION THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS LEGAL BUT SHAME ON THEM FOR FORCING OUR MILITARY TO KILL ILLEGAL I-- ILLEGALLY.

>> RECENTLY OVER 100 COUNTRIES ARE READY TO SIGN HISTORIC DEALS TO CUT POLLUTION FROM CARGO SHIPS AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS A CAMPAIGN WHERE STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS MADE PERSONAL THREATS TO DIPLOMATS IF THEY CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE DEAL ALONG WITH THREATS OF TARIFFS AND SANCTIONS.

THE DEAL WOULD HAVE PUT A TAX ON HEAVILY POLLUTING VESSELS TO PUSH THEM TO CLEAN UP.

VERY LONG OVERDUE BUT TRUMP IS NOW TRYING TO KILL IT.

>> BEN,.

>> MY F IS GOING TO MAINE HEALTH FOR SENDING OVER 500 DEATH CONDOLENCE LETTERS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL VERY MUCH ALIVE.

SO MORE THAN 500 PEOPLE WERE NOTIFIED IN LATE OCTOBER, THAT THEY WERE NO LONGER LIVING AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEIR NEXT OF KIN WERE TOLD WHAT TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR ESTATES.

THEY HAVE THAT MAINE HEALTH, WHICH IS THE LARGEST COMPANY IN MAINE, PROVIDING SERVICES HAS SINCE APOLOGIZED AND GUARANTEED AT NO POINT WERE THEY DECEASED IN THEIR MEDICAL RECORDS.

>> I WONDER ABOUT THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY PAYMENTS IF THEY WERE OF THAT AGE.

TARA SH YOUR F.

>> F GOES TO THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE STAFF FOR UNNECESSARY AND MEAN SPIRITED MODIFICATION ABOUT THE WHITE HOUSE WEB PAGE ON WHITE HOUSE.GOV.

WHEN ONE CLICKS ON THE READ MORE, ONE FINDS HISTORY OF THE TIMELINE OF EVENTS INVOLVING THE RENOVATION OF THE WHITE HOUSE.

INCLUDING THOSE VIGNETTES ARE PHOTOS HIGHLIGHTING PRK'S RELATIONSHIP WITH MONICA LEWINSKY AND FALSE STATEMENT ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN LEAVING A BAG OF COCAINE ON THE WHITE HOUSE GROUND AND A PHOTO OF PRESIDENT OBAMA IN 2008 WHEN HE WAS IN TRADITIONAL DRESS IN KENYA.

NONE OF THESE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH RENOVATIONS OR THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> LET'S GO TO THE AS.

>> MY A GOES TO ELECTION POLL WORKERS.

I TALKED TO A POLL WORKER YESTERDAY WHO WORKED IN DEANSBORO, LATE 70S AND WENT TO WORK AT 5 A.M., DROPPED OFF BALLOTS AT 10 P.M.

A 17-HOUR DAY.

WE NEED THOUSANDS OF THESE POLL WORKERS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

PRESIDENT TRUMP IS WORKING TO MAKE THEIR JOB MORE DIFFICULT BY TRYING TO SUBVERT THE NEXT 2026 ELECTION BUT IF YOU ARE A POLL WORKER, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

>> ZAIRE RUE.

>> MY A GOES TO THE JURY THAT FOUND SEAN DUNNE, THE SO CALLED SANDWICH MAN NOT GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR ASSAULT.

HE HAD THROWN A SANDWICH AT A FEDERAL AGENT TO OPPOSE TRUMP'S AGGRESSIVE POLICING AND ATTACKED ON IMMIGRANTS.

THE ADMINISTRATION SOUGHT A FELONY CONVICTION BUT GRAND JURIES REFUSE DODD THAT AND NOW A JURY HAS REJECTED THE MISDEMEANOR CHARGE.

ENCOURAGING TO SEE REGULAR CITIZENS REJECTING AUTHORITARIAN EFFORT TO PUNISH DISSENT.

>> MY F IS GOING TO THE HEAVE LIN POLICE DEPARTMENT IN ALABAMA.

THEY WERE HIT WITH TOILET PAPER.

THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEIR CARS, SWAT CARS WITH A LOT OF TOILET PAPER BY TEENAGERS.

THEY DIDN'T GET ANGRY.

THEY GOT EVEN.

THEY ASKED THE PARENTS OF THE TEENAGERS, CAN WE ROLL YOUR HOUSE?

AND THEY WENT OUT AND ROLLED THE HOUSE.

THAT'S A WAY TO DO SUCCESSFUL GOOD, GENUINE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

>> COMMUNITY POLICING.

AND TARA, YOUR A.

>> I'M GIVING AN A.I.

TO THE-- THE A TO THE NEWS THAT SINCE 2017 THE RATE OF PEANUT ALLERGIES HAS DROPPED BY 43%.

RESEARCHERS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA HOSPITAL ACKNOWLEDGING THE NEED FOR MORE RESEARCH AND STUDY ARGUE THAT THE PROGRAM, WHICH RECOMMENDED THAT YOU START INTRODUCING PEANUT AND PEANUT FOODS EARLY IN CHILDREN'S LIVES REDUCES THE PEANUT ALLERGIES.

>> AND WE SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT SOME PEOPLE STILL HAVE PEANUT ALLERGIES ANYWAY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

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